UO Second Age

Grim_Fandango wrote:Ok, I've been trying to follow the two threads on this subject and get my head wrapped around this exploit that allows home owners to both be killed inside their own home as well as have their house looted as well.

I guess a simple question could be proposed, how exactly does this exploit benefit the existing community as well as new members?

If you are an established member or simply prefer griefing houses, then this issue poses no threat to you. But if you are new to this server (like myself) or if you simply do not have the cash flow that some people here do, then this poses quite a threat.

Part of the joy of purchasing a house is to have a safe haven for your goods or place to go to do your own thing. What's the point of spending money on a house if someone can simply come along and loot everything that you've worked so hard to obtain? There's no benefit whatsoever, in fact, all it will do is push new members away and leave a dwindling community where everyone just hangs out at the bank due to boredom. If players want the exploit to stay in game, then it looks like we'll be enjoying a game where everyone simply loots houses and kills players with AOE spells... then they go back to sitting at the bank.

Grim_Fandango wrote:Ok, I've been trying to follow the two threads on this subject and get my head wrapped around this exploit that allows home owners to both be killed inside their own home as well as have their house looted as well.

I guess a simple question could be proposed, how exactly does this exploit benefit the existing community as well as new members?

If you are an established member or simply prefer griefing houses, then this issue poses no threat to you. But if you are new to this server (like myself) or if you simply do not have the cash flow that some people here do, then this poses quite a threat.

Part of the joy of purchasing a house is to have a safe haven for your goods or place to go to do your own thing. What's the point of spending money on a house if someone can simply come along and loot everything that you've worked so hard to obtain? There's no benefit whatsoever, in fact, all it will do is push new members away and leave a dwindling community where everyone just hangs out at the bank due to boredom. If players want the exploit to stay in game, then it looks like we'll be enjoying a game where everyone simply loots houses and kills players with AOE spells... then they go back to sitting at the bank.

Rykker wrote: Where does it say the house can now be looted as well? Are we talking about smalls? What if you have a table/trash can barrier set up?

Rose wrote:Also, Swill Bag, Stop trying to house kill me, you have failed for 20 hours straight, its not gonna happen for you.

Teh LawL Firm wrote:Even though summoning daemons in a house is era accurate they will fix that before changing the LOS trick, which either way will be contradicting. I'm sure there will be a legit explanation for it tho. If it's not changed then no place is safe to macro on this server which may drive new players away. As stated tho, It's not about the player base its about Era Accuracy...

I'm going to put this out there rather people on the forums or staff agrees or not, But with a new server emerging and a lot of people from uosa leaving to go there, giving them another reason like this wouldn't be smart for the population. I checked out the new server which I'm not going to name or link but there seems to be alot of people starting over there from here & one of the main reasons is the LOS trick.. Put your pride aside & Era accuracy and enforce a rule to make it bannable or jail time to do this. You can keep the mechanics on this server and keep it era accurate while enforcing a rule that keeps people from abusing it which I believe would have been fixed or punishable during the t2a era on osi if people actually figured out how to do this during that time frame. Although there may be other ways to do the LOS thing razor made it easily discoverable which razor did not exist on osi in t2a timelines. The daemon thing is a new bug but that just shows that the wall mechanics on houses, dungeons etc are messed up and should be looked at. You shouldn't be able to cast an ev, daemon or anything threw a wall, that's what walls are therefore to block stuff!

That said, this isn't a post to start an argument and is just an opinion. If someone has a reasonable argument to this please feel free to express your own opinion on the matter.

Faust wrote: Rel Por will follow in Divinity's, Revelation, and IPY 1.0/2.0++ footsteps.

Please feel free to quote me on that no differently than when I said the same during each phase of those previous dead shards.

Teh LawL Firm wrote:Hybrid use to have an average of 1600+ players daily now they are on par with uosecondage, surprised you forgot that one. That's where uosa is getting most its players now that and ipy. UOR is now taking people from this server and with 90 to 100 @ beta and not even advertising till they go live is pretty impressive. However what makes people stay is staff, a server isn't good unless the staff is legit and hybrid , revelation, ipy, etc all screwed that up. That's one of the reasons why this server is so popular cause staff isn't corrupt. UOR will fail because the staff there isn't legit, take Telamon for example, he was banned here for certain reasons that break rules, so what's to keep him from doing the same as staff on UOR.

Teh LawL Firm wrote:

Faust wrote: Rel Por will follow in Divinity's, Revelation, and IPY 1.0/2.0++ footsteps.

Please feel free to quote me on that no differently than when I said the same during each phase of those previous dead shards.

Not the server I was talking about, but probably. Someone said that the other server was being made to get peoples account info here if they use the same account password there as they do on secondage.