LOS Issue

DarkWing · Post by **DarkWing** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:23 pm

Casting EV's inside of someones locked house has got to be a bug that needs to be fixed!

This is TOTALLY Unexceptable!

Kaivan · Post by **Kaivan** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:38 pm

An actual report on how it's being done would be useful.

DarkWing · Post by **DarkWing** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:43 pm

Kaivan wrote:An actual report on how it's being done would be useful.

probably the same way they are targeting Chain Lightning etc ... using Razor to exploit the LOS changes

Kaivan · Post by **Kaivan** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:47 pm

The LoS behavior only works with relative target, only works on houses with a stone foundation, and is easily reproducible. None of the known methods for casting work with a summon spell directly targeted into a house from outside.

DarkWing · Post by **DarkWing** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:52 pm

Kaivan wrote:The LoS behavior only works with relative target, only works on houses with a stone foundation, and is easily reproducible. None of the known methods for casting work with a summon spell directly targeted into a house from outside.

and using Target Relative Location to cast inside a secure building sounds Era Accurate to you?

we did not have RAZOR back during this Era! .. so this would Never have been possible!

I want my Secure houses to be Safe again!

Kaivan · Post by **Kaivan** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:54 pm

Relative target is the easiest way to achieve it, but it can be done using other methods that don't require you to 'hack' anything, or use an illegal 3rd party program. However, this is not relevant to the report anyway. If you have them, specifics on how this is being achieved would be appreciated.

Pirul · Post by **Pirul** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:22 pm

So, do we agree that the actual summoning of an EV or BS inside a house is a bug?

Zyler · Post by **Zyler** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:31 pm

Sounds like a bug to me or an exploit using Razor.

Post by **mfred** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:01 pm

this one has nothing to do with razor... last i heard (yesterday) the big bosses in the sky are looking into it but still claiming accuracy.

i'll not detail it here... but i'm sure telamon will swoop in at some point for karma points and detail the process ad nauseam.

from what i've seen not all house placements are affected by this new method... so don't sell your L-Shape just yet.

Pirul · Post by **Pirul** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:24 pm

Kaivan wrote:However, despite that fact, there is an entirely separate piece of code that is checked when a blade spirit or energy vortex is cast which prevents you from successfully targeting inside a house, regardless of whether you have line of sight or not. This means that despite the behavior of the LOS code, and the fact that it allows you to target inside a house, it doesn't matter since you can't summon inside the house.

This sounds pretty definitive to me. You can't summon inside a house.

Post by **mfred** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:43 pm

Pirul wrote:
Kaivan wrote:However, despite that fact, there is an entirely separate piece of code that is checked when a blade spirit or energy vortex is cast which prevents you from successfully targeting inside a house, regardless of whether you have line of sight or not. This means that despite the behavior of the LOS code, and the fact that it allows you to target inside a house, it doesn't matter since you can't summon inside the house.
This sounds pretty definitive to me. You can't summon inside a house.

huh?
since when couldn't you summon inside/cast into a house (friended, owned or banned)?.... ignoring the LOS issue.

Telamon · Post by **Telamon** » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:37 pm

Not even bothering to post this new method. Rather not get banned anyway when it is determined to be NEA.

Mikel123 · Post by **Mikel123** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:59 am

Telamon wrote:Not even bothering to post this new method. Rather not get banned anyway when it is determined to be NEA.

For the reference of anyone new here, it has been my experience that one should certainly detail any bugs found to Derrick and Kaivan, even if not posting them on the forums. I also haven't seen any instances of people getting banned for reporting bugs... ever.

Faust · Post by **Faust** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:11 am

mfred wrote: huh?
since when couldn't you summon inside/cast into a house (friended, owned or banned)?.... ignoring the LOS issue.

Summoning a bladespirit or energy vortex into a house was not possible during the second age. Surprised it has lasted this long on the shard in all honesty.

Pirul · Post by **Pirul** » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:21 am

Mikel123 wrote:
Telamon wrote:Not even bothering to post this new method. Rather not get banned anyway when it is determined to be NEA.
For the reference of anyone new here, it has been my experience that one should certainly detail any bugs found to Derrick and Kaivan, even if not posting them on the forums. I also haven't seen any instances of people getting banned for reporting bugs... ever.

Der and Kaivan know full well how to do it.

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