Furniture Dye Tub (tweak on silver reward system)

[Ardos]

Since UOSecondage has already had a clean up of Britania similar to that of OSI's I am recommending a small change in the current Furniture Dye tub reward on the silver list. Originally the Furniture dye tub comes from the clean up of Britannia system on OSI. Since this shard has had its CUB and did not release furniture dye tubs I am recommending that the furniture dye tub, which is era accurate needs to be modified and or switched with the Special Dye tub on the silver turn in list. This is only fair since the furniture tub is era accurate and the special dye tub is not. I am suggesting the Special Dye tub be changed to 10 charges for 300 silver and the furniture dye tub be changed to 20 charges for 200 silver. People may complain about this, but it is a very valid argument since it is an era accurate object and the special dye tub is not. It should be harder to obtain the latter and they should be switched on the system. I am opposed to another CUB since there was only 1 on OSI, and am also against releasing these items in a manner such as Christmas rewards since this never occured on OSI. Another argument for this is Furniture tubs have been handed out with 20 charges for events such as House decorating contests and are much more common then special dye tubs. Please only participate in this discussion without flaming. This is a legitimate request.

Currently.
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200 Silver Rewards:
20 Charge Special Dye Tub

300 Silver Rewards:
Black Hued Dye Tub (unlimited, re-dye-able)
10 Charge Furniture Dye Tub

[MatronDeWinter]

I would rather just see them released with unlimited charges like they were in-era rather than continuing to modify the silver system.

[Panthor the Hated]

I'd prefer no furny tubs at all or dramatically increase their silver cost

no I'm not trolling

[Ardos]

These cannot be released in an era accurate way because CUB has already come and gone. To release unlimited tubs now would be a mistake. I think the modification to the silver system is fair. 200 silver for 20 charegs is till a lot of gold per charge.

[MatronDeWinter]

I don't understand how you can be opposed to a repeat CUB, and condone the silver system at all. I don't see anything wrong with the charges on furniture dye tubs as it is, my only qualm with them is that they have charges to begin with. Increasing the charges to me, would only be compounding the problem.

[Ardos]

Matron are you suggesting these tubs be unlimited?

[Panthor the Hated]

cub is easier to abuse than the silver system

this shard is about accurate mechanics, cub was an event and we're not really bound to continuously repeat era events. without an annual cub, though, we wouldnt be able to to have some items introduced into the system unless we had other means. silver is an effective system.

as far as furniture tubs.. personally I like them being very rare. I don't think we need tons of unlimited tubs around and rainbow houses. its funny how you rail against trammel sometimes, matron, but are all for it in this case.

a single unlimited furniture tub would immediately render all of the charged tubs out there entirely worthless and would definitely lead to a shard full of colored furniture which isn't really in the spirit of the era.

clearly this is all up to debate though - unless derrick says otherwise. it's not really a mechanics issue just a policy issue.

[Ardos]

I am not a fan of unlimited tubs either for this reason. They werent introduced accurately and were made a part of the silver system. Therfore to change them to unlimited would not only harm the economy, but would make all houses rainbowed for 0 cost. Many players including myself have spent millions to posses very few of these items. I am making this argument because it is valid to change the Era Accurate Furniture tub to 20 charges for 200 (100k a charge, about current market value of already dyed things because of Furniture tub handouts through events), with the Inaccurate special tub Currently 20 charges for 200 silver should be 300 silver for 10 charges like the furniture dye tub.

[BlackFoot]

cub has been debated inside out and comes to the same conclusion in every thread.
If your doing it to reduce item count it doesn't work. It just encourages more hoarding.
Without moving to the next housing phase it doesn't make sense.
If you are simply doing a cub to introduce items than whats the point.. just introduce them as gifts so everyones on the same playing field and eliminate those two weeks of everyone macroing craftables in their houses.

If your doing CUB because it is an era accurate event that everyone loved and your doing it for nostalgia purposes, then the items aren't even relevant and could be completely randomized.

You cant introduce the item the same way it was introduced on osi. So its going to keep coming from other events and the silver system or not at all.

[Ardos]

Blackfoot. Maybe you misread the therad. I am against another CUB. OSI did not run annual CUBs and neither should this shard. I am totally opposed to running another CUB, it would be counter productive. What I am saying here is that Furniture Tub and Special Tub should switch spots and value on the silver system. I am not even for releasing these items in any other manner, seeing as how CUB is over. Releasing them in another way would be inaccurate, since these items were originally receieved from an event that should NEVER take place again.

[BlackFoot]

I was responding to matrons post to have them introduced era accurately

[Ardos]

So how do you stand on the thread? Do you think switching the items places on the silver system is a good or bad idea?

[BlackFoot]

undecided at this point, i do have a store of charges for both these tubs and really duno.

I have been selling charges for their cost in silver, the idea is then rebuying the tubs with that silver in a cycle. More as a community service than anything. I dont gain anything but people dont have to save up tons of silver to get a charge.

I sell way more special dye tub charges than furny charges currently. (before the cbd thing also) Most people dont think the furny charges are worth their cost in silver currently I guess.

[MatronDeWinter]

its funny how you rail against trammel sometimes, matron, but are all for it in this case.

Inf charge dye tubs were era accurate.

I was responding to matrons post to have them introduced era accurately

Did I say run another CUB? Nope.

[Panthor the Hated]

not in the numbers that we would have here after another cub which you're gunning for after silver is eliminated

thankfully no one really supports your radical ideology