WTF is with my combat skill gain?

[Mung]

Below i have attached a video of my character macroing wrestling on another character with gm wrestling, to me these gains seem to be extremely slow and off. I have macroed over 8 characters to atleast be gm in wep skill/tacts in virtually 24 hours from bought skill to gm, the gm i paged had no idea of any changes to skill gain even happening and said that my skill gains as seen are accurate? Can anyone else agree or agree with me that gains used to be about 10x faster definately. The gain rate went from 24-36 hours from bought skill to gm to 7-10 days from bought skill to gm.

[RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR]

You gain slower against other players, attack npcs and you'll be GM in 5 hours, really you should of used the forum search.

[Mung]

i did search forums like 20 different ways and did'nt find a single post relevant to my question.

did you even bother watching the video?

Also the question is why was I able to macro a character to gm wrestling in 24-36 hours while said character was attacking a character with 0 wrestling and nothing but a d-robe and bandages

and no im attacking a character with gm wrestling and tacts and the gains are so tediously slow.

[RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR]

i did search forums like 20 different ways and did'nt find a single post relevant to my question.

did you even bother watching the video?

Also the question is why was I able to macro a character to gm wrestling in 24-36 hours while said character was attacking a character with 0 wrestling and nothing but a d-robe and bandages

and no im attacking a character with gm wrestling and tacts and the gains are so tediously slow.

Cant watch your video right now, well try doing it off a NPC as you will gain so much faster then anyways there's really no reason to fight your own characters.

You know it may be that before you were training on a character with no wrestling, and I know that makes your tactics increase much faster, also it could be that you don't gain as much if the character your sparring is 30 points above your skill level, I know that that is in effect on some servers, I don't really now if it is here, but that may solve your problem.

[Mung]

ok so this makes me wonder what exactly they changed in the coding to change the effectiveness of combat skill gains, as said before i used to gm wrestling in 24-36 hours while attacking my own character with 0 wrestling skill just bandaging himself. I cannot find the patch notes pertaining to this change and every gm I have talked to so far has not even known of any change that would effect my skill gains. Is there anyone that agrees with me that you could make a 6x tank/mage in like 3 days, at the going rate It would take over a week to gm wrestling alone not including magery/med etc......

[RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR]

ok so this makes me wonder what exactly they changed in the coding to change the effectiveness of combat skill gains, as said before i used to gm wrestling in 24-36 hours while attacking my own character with 0 wrestling skill just bandaging himself. I cannot find the patch notes pertaining to this change and every gm I have talked to so far has not even known of any change that would effect my skill gains. Is there anyone that agrees with me that you could make a 6x tank/mage in like 3 days, at the going rate It would take over a week to gm wrestling alone not including magery/med etc......

Well I'm sorry that I can't help you any further pertaining to gaining skills off of your own characters, if you already have a gm mage, then might I suggest you summon daemons for your skill gains, I gmed wrestling tactics and swordsmanship in about 5-8 hours with that method, I highly doubt it has anything to do with a new unannounced patch note although it is possible.

Like I said maybe it is because you are attempting to gain off of a character with GM COMBAT SKILLS as before you were attacking a character with 0 combat skills, you might want to put a weapon your character is not proficient with in his hand and see if you gain faster.

To use daemons just set up this macro.

SummonDaemon
Say:All Stop
Target Nearest non Friendly
Atack Last Target.

The daemon will not move at all or attack you back because you are spamming all stop so fast.

[Mung]

originally i was using my dexxer bandaging myself with 0 wrestling as the dummy and the gm told me that he was not a challenge and to equip the weapon he was gm in rather than using 0 wrestling skill, so i equip a katana and even then the gains are still horrendously slow. The only reason why i used my mage was to simplify that i was using wrestling and that my opponent was a challenge. I have tried equipping a fencing weapon and a macing weapon and havent noticed any difference in gains

[Faust]

Combat skills were severely harder to gain off of players during the t2a era. Use an NPC to gain your combat skills as suggested.

[Mung]

Faust, all knowing historian could you confirm with me the reason why I was able to do this to 6x gm in 2-3 days within a month ago? What changed is what I want to know I have scanned the patch notes of recent and nothing seems to stand out except for one comment derrick made in a patch that was 'you shouldnt be able to gm any combat skill off of a zombie' but not clear definition as to what that entailed, such as ie. "you can no longer macro gm combat skills while attacking another character in the same fashion that you could in the past" all I want is basically someone to tell me above quote and mean it, and know that they have changed something recently that prevents gaining to gm in this fashion, and possibly even someone that has used this method before with success like I have.

[Faust]

What changed was the gain ratio for combat skills receiving from hitting on a player. There is a huge penalty when gaining combat skills off from players. I will leave it up to Derrick to tell you when the patch went in. It was a few months back though from what I remember.

Hit on an npc and your problem will be fixed though.

[Mung]

well thanks for just telling me it was hard to swallow that making a new char would take me weeks as now Im really looking forward to trying out archer mage. I guess i just needed to update my macroing ways and get on the new gain wagon to see what im used to.

[Faust]

It has only been made a bit more tedious than previously. You can either use an npc fighter/paladin or a polar bear if you have a vet. Both will get you to GM in no time. However, "if" the all stop command is fixed macroing on an NPC will become even more difficult because they will fight back requiring you to heal both targets.

[Mung]

one more question is does this effect resist gains when casting on yourself outside of town? ie. I have a murderer i accidently ressed in stat and now I have to macro his resist again, now if i started a new character i would use the hireling/town method to gain resist but since my character is basically perma red, will i notice a difference in self resist gains compared to a couple months ago?

[Mung]

Im using a polar bear now for wrestling like you said and i notice no difference between wrestling my own characters with 0 or gm in skill

[Faust]

The rules for combat skill gains still apply... You have to wrestle something near your skill level. If you're wrestling something at 0 skill gain compared to something that has 90-100 you won't be gaining at all. You have to wrestle around your level up until you get high enough to gain off mobiles that has a higher skill value that they're using.