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[Layt]

E. When in doubt, LARP

[Shane2]

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While censorship may seem weak to some here....allowing the oppressors to move forward and actively hurt others is just as evil as the oppressors themselves. Freedom of speech is one thing, abuse of speech is another. There's a reason people aren't allowed to go on TV and say some things...and it has nothing to do with Political correctness, it's to avoid the ego stroking of people who could be dangerous and allowing them to find each other to do mass harm.

"Oppressors"?!?!?!

In a video game? LOL!

Yes, it would be a terrible thing to allow people to say what they want. Much better to control people and what they are and are not allowed to say. Nothing dangerous about that, no not at all!

And how does one define "abuse of speech"? To you it seems to be whatever you don't like. Can I define abusing speech as someone advocating the silencing of opinions contrary to their own? I maintain that there is no such thing- speech is speech, period.

[Lonebob]

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While censorship may seem weak to some here....allowing the oppressors to move forward and actively hurt others is just as evil as the oppressors themselves. Freedom of speech is one thing, abuse of speech is another. There's a reason people aren't allowed to go on TV and say some things...and it has nothing to do with Political correctness, it's to avoid the ego stroking of people who could be dangerous and allowing them to find each other to do mass harm.

"Oppressors"?!?!?!

In a video game? LOL!

Yes, it would be a terrible thing to allow people to say what they want. Much better to control people and what they are and are not allowed to say. Nothing dangerous about that, no not at all!

And how does one define "abuse of speech"? To you it seems to be whatever you don't like. Can I define abusing speech as someone advocating the silencing of opinions contrary to their own? I maintain that there is no such thing- speech is speech, period.

I believe you are speaking of a different sort of censorship. You speak of censoring ideas, which is dangerous, and this thread is only referring to offensive speech and racial slurs(which is determined by our society whether you like it or not). These two types of censorship are vastly different.

So yeah I really don't agree with censorship at all but some of these arguments just make me giggle.

[chazzman69]

Small minded people will always use slurs to compensate for their inadequacies IRL, simply put this shard is overrun with immature people who really account for nothing IRL and have no other place in the world that they can feel important. If they need to use racial slurs or vulgar language just ignore it and simply take pity on the poor little person who is trying to gain legitimacy through their attempts to belittle others based on ignorance.

[macil22]

Some day all people will understand each other and we won't have these problems. Some day a word will be a word and no one will think twice about it.

The internet is never good when you are trying to find judgment of people, mainly because it's anonymity gives people power over others that you just don't find in the real world. If someone with true power were to make his/her decision to destroy the world and used the internet....we would all burn for a million years.


While censorship may seem weak to some here....allowing the oppressors to move forward and actively hurt others is just as evil as the oppressors themselves. Freedom of speech is one thing, abuse of speech is another. There's a reason people aren't allowed to go on TV and say some things...and it has nothing to do with Political correctness, it's to avoid the ego stroking of people who could be dangerous and allowing them to find each other to do mass harm.

You have to be kidding me! Other than your arguments being absurd you mention "oppressors" and then your method for dealing with them is essentially widespread oppression. In other words stamp out the free expression of ideas, and use force to make people conform. It is typical leftist bull crap. Freedom through oppression, peace through force. Everyone would get along so well and the world would be so nice if only we could use the power of authority to stamp out individualism.

Concepts such as freedom of speech and expression weren't thought up to protect politically, safe speech that doesn't offend anyone, it is protect speech that makes you cringe. Otherwise there wouldn't be a need for any of those protections.

*edit* before anyone says anything,

Obviously the server is privately owned and derrick can ban whatever speech he wants. My comments here are only in response to what I quoted but I also obviously think that it is in the best interest of any community to protect speech. Ban harrassers, but leave everyone else alone.

[GuardianKnight]

My post stands because we are trying to build a community here and by making it seem that it's ok to get away with saying whatever you want , you will push people away. A good community doesn't want ignorant redneck idiots who use free speech as a reason to hurt other people. If you think for a second that you have the "right" to offend anyone verbally, then you are wrong. Ever hear of "assault and battery"? Assault constitutes name calling and harassment.

[Faust]

Your post is full of hypocrisy GK...

The response from you is all about how bad it is offending people and you are putting words into context such as "ignorant redneck idiots".

Who are you to decide what a "good community" wants?

This isn't a liberal hibby jibby son.

Btw, you are false when it comes to the law about assault and battery... That is most certainly not true even the slightest. Assault and battery is physically harming another individual, not calling them a bad word.

I am in no way in agreement with the opposite side of the argument. However, the arguments made in your post is utterly ridiculous in my opinon that make absolutely no sense at all. Perhaps, if you didn't try to combat "offending behavior" with offending behavior it would have made a lot more sense and a much better argument son.

[Derrick]

Assault constitutes name calling and harassment.

It would also include meteor storming people in their house.

It's being suggested that we prohibit speech in game of specific words which are perfectly legal to say to someone you don't know on a street corner in real life (In my country anyway).

To prohibit language between characters, which is perfectly legal in the real world, inside a game in which it's acceptable to attack other characters, kill them, and then mutilate their bodies doesn't follow any logic that i can understand.

Additionally, as mentioned, there are sufficient in game tools with which to deal with these things. Even EA's policy, a company with more human resources that we have states the following:

Before you submit a complaint be sure you understand what constitutes harassment and that you have followed these steps:
You have asked the player to "please stop", and they have continued to repeat the offending behavior.
You have tried to remove yourself from the situation, for example, by recalling away or moving several screens.
You have done nothing to instigate or further encourage the harassment.
You have added the player to your ignore list, which is located in your UO options, under Filter Options.
Your account information is up to date, including a current email address.

These are our policies as well.

8 out of ten times, when reviewing speechlogs, of reported harassment, the harassment was instigated and "further encouraged" by the reporter.

It is our role on this server not to involve ourselves in player interactions, a role we take very seriously.

For More Info on our policies, they are linked here (under subtitle "You're on your own"), along with other useful information.
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=7418

[Lonebob]

You have to be kidding me! Other than your arguments being absurd you mention "oppressors" and then your method for dealing with them is essentially widespread oppression. In other words stamp out the free expression of ideas, and use force to make people conform.

These kind of comments make me sad. Once again, this post is positioned at stopping offensive language(look up the FCC definition). It is in fact NOT about censorship of ideas but about censorship of offensive language. Do not mistake the immature use of profanity for something along the lines of Galileo's theory of the Earth being round. These two types of censorship are as similar as broccoli and steak.

All that being said I generally like most profanity, what can I say, I grew up with George Carlin. But I hate racial slurs and harassment.

Anyway this thread is moot, Derrick cant fix this...period.

[Pro]

Just so you experts all know the difference between assault and battery is fear of the attack n some other stuff i cbf reiterating.

[BlackFoot]

Squelch in game
Ignore in IRC
Set Foe on the Forums

Problem Solved : Mission Accomplished

and if that doesnt work recall? or even run away

take some responsibilty fom removing yourself from a situation you dont like. children

[SJane3384]

A good community doesn't want ignorant redneck idiots who use free speech as a reason to hurt other people. If you think for a second that you have the "right" to offend anyone verbally, then you are wrong.

I love how you immediately conclude that ALL racists are rednecks. Funny, growing up in metro Detroit most of the racists I met were black.

[GuardianKnight]

Growing up in Arkansas i have concluded that most white racists are rednecks.

[BlackFoot]

Growing up in Arkansas i have concluded that most white racists are rednecks.

except for obama

[loota kryss]

The people that use this kind of language do so because they are ignorant and feel like they are being cool online. Making posts about them and showing how much it bothers you will just make them continue. They do it for the reaction, which they are getting.

If we as a community refuse to interact with people using this language they will have no one to talk to thus either smartening up or be essentially squelched.

I personally don't enjoy the behavior, but I doesn't bother me just like on TV, in movies, in real life, in the end they are just words and people looking for a reaction.

Just my two pennies.