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[Aeris]

As GK mentioned, and as was timely spoken by Rose in IRC a few moments ago:

Something I think people don't understand: giving new players gold and supplies does not give them an incentive to stay! It takes away any challenge, and makes the game boring and have no investment of effort. Not to mention, if they identify that it would take them a month to earn what someone just gave them for free, why on earth would they decide to stay and put in a month's work to double the value which they were gifted in 10 seconds?

The only reason I'm still here is because I didn't have someone in IRC offer me a house and supplies to macro up a 7x character in a week. I met a couple guys in IRC, they gave me a suit of GM Armour, a silver weapon, a few bandages, and took me to Deceit and farmed with me for two hours. I was hooked. They let me take 8k home to bank, and I *felt* like I was rich as fuck. I tried to never let that gold get below 5k, as an emergency fund. Took me a month or more to get my first small, and I was blissfully oblivious to how slow I was, and it made me crave logging in each day to get a little bit closer to my first house.

As soon as you show a new player how relatively absurdly rich you are (say I have 50 mil and a newbie has 10k, that makes me 5,000 times richer than them) by gifting them 100k and saying it's easy for me to earn that, they say "I'll never catch up, this shard will take forever for me to be able to compete" and they logout for good.

[Drunk'n Disorder]

As GK mentioned, and as was timely spoken by Rose in IRC a few moments ago:

Something I think people don't understand: giving new players gold and supplies does not give them an incentive to stay! It takes away any challenge, and makes the game boring and have no investment of effort.

This is 100% true for new players. However, I believe he is attempting to steal players from other shards. If they are already active on another shard it would probably require some incentive to bring them here.

I'll donate a patio deed. Put my name on the top of the list!

[slyyoungstar]

The lack of a market for crafting goods was a big deterrent when I first started. Our hoarding of magic items (who uses anything less than power/vanq, fort/invul anymore) makes a very era inaccurate feel, I think. In T2A OSI, if you had a GM smith, you were set for life. Here, it's at best a repair tool for metal items or crafting for regulated events that require it. Unless you've got a regbot and know that alchemy is the only worthwhile craft here, you can waste a ton of time and manpower developing something you didn't even realize was worthless.

Going to check out of this thread to not derail more than I already have at this point. I've already made comments this morning in more appropriate threads for the direction where my ranting is starting to move towards. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=61708&start=30

[SirEricKain]

As GK mentioned, and as was timely spoken by Rose in IRC a few moments ago:

Something I think people don't understand: giving new players gold and supplies does not give them an incentive to stay! It takes away any challenge, and makes the game boring and have no investment of effort.

This is 100% true for new players. However, I believe he is attempting to steal players from other shards. If they are already active on another shard it would probably require some incentive to bring them here.

I'll donate a patio deed. Put my name on the top of the list!

Exactly, thank you.

[SirEricKain]

As GK mentioned, and as was timely spoken by Rose in IRC a few moments ago:

Something I think people don't understand: giving new players gold and supplies does not give them an incentive to stay! It takes away any challenge, and makes the game boring and have no investment of effort. Not to mention, if they identify that it would take them a month to earn what someone just gave them for free, why on earth would they decide to stay and put in a month's work to double the value which they were gifted in 10 seconds?

The only reason I'm still here is because I didn't have someone in IRC offer me a house and supplies to macro up a 7x character in a week. I met a couple guys in IRC, they gave me a suit of GM Armour, a silver weapon, a few bandages, and took me to Deceit and farmed with me for two hours. I was hooked. They let me take 8k home to bank, and I *felt* like I was rich as fuck. I tried to never let that gold get below 5k, as an emergency fund. Took me a month or more to get my first small, and I was blissfully oblivious to how slow I was, and it made me crave logging in each day to get a little bit closer to my first house.

As soon as you show a new player how relatively absurdly rich you are (say I have 50 mil and a newbie has 10k, that makes me 5,000 times richer than them) by gifting them 100k and saying it's easy for me to earn that, they say "I'll never catch up, this shard will take forever for me to be able to compete" and they logout for good.

You are right, I don't intend on gifting someone 100k, merely supplying them with starter essentials and showing them an incredible time in game, not only to "get them hooked.". Showing them how cool the people here can be, instead of them logging in working up like you said and losing it all with one swoop of a red wiz hally, makes for a much better chance of them staying.

[SirEricKain]

Many thanks to Drunk'n Disorder for the first donation of 1 - Patio Deed.

+1 to you sir!

[SirEricKain]

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[Treysta]

This is genuinely the dumbest fucking idea I've seen in my time here. I don't understand how an adult could sit there and think this was a smart thing to try. Begging for gold to settle some weird robin hood fetish and then berating those with enough wisdom to call you out on it?

Your sig says you're a merchant. I think you've got it confused with a politician.

gold is the least valuable thing in this game....

I wholeheartedly disagree. Buying power in this game goes like this $ > g > s > rest. Selling power goes like this gf > uni/sb/etc > rest. Power in this case being the willingness of the reciprocal party to trade with you.

[Roser]

He has good intentions trey!

Speaking of robin hooding, if any newbs needs some silver weps I have freshly liberated some from the evil Vega's stockpile.

[SirEricKain]

This is genuinely the dumbest fucking idea I've seen in my time here. I don't understand how an adult could sit there and think this was a smart thing to try. Begging for gold to settle some weird robin hood fetish and then berating those with enough wisdom to call you out on it?

Your sig says you're a merchant. I think you've got it confused with a politician.

gold is the least valuable thing in this game....

I wholeheartedly disagree. Buying power in this game goes like this $ > g > s > rest. Selling power goes like this gf > uni/sb/etc > rest. Power in this case being the willingness of the reciprocal party to trade with you.

I weep for humanity.

[farnk]

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[killaboy]

Anyways, sorry for your thread but I honestly don't think you'll get anyone's vote or castle deed, and it's not because, "we must not be wealthy" its simply just a bad idea.

[orevamp]

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[Galendae]

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[SirEricKain]

Thank you Orevamp and Violator for contributing 4 million and 500k gold, respectively.