GM Tracking Issues

[nightshark]

Moongate pvp was terribly bad. Even worse when people figured out you could hold flamestrike or any cursor while traveling..

I actually took my stat PK there once (during UO:R), which had a 70k bounty, 100+ kills and was top of the shard (majority of people would not report me as it was obvious I actually liked increasing my kill counts). I report people here because it's obvious most PKers macro off their stat.

Anyway... I died to a trammie who'd probably never PvPed in his life.

Was being attacked by 2 guys, started running north, and ran straight past a trammie. Could've drank a heal pot at this stage, but I was at ~40% life and figured my bandy was about to kick in - aggressors were miles behind me.

Suddenly, an explosion spell hit. Dead. Killed by a trammie. I still can't believe he was sitting there (at this relatively random location) with a precast explosion AND managed to click me as I ran past at 100mph.

A lot to pay for the 50 gold I could've used to drink a heal pot (which were actually free, from loot). Sigh. Characters were such a b*tch to raise during UO:R as well.

/offtopic

[Lazarus]

I actually liked being able to select the town I wanted to go to.

[Oswald]

Isn't stealth supposed to nullify tracking?

Also isn't GM hiding supposed to beat out detect hidden sometimes, as opposed to detect hidden revealing you 8 squares away?

[Kith]

Isn't stealth supposed to nullify tracking?

Also isn't GM hiding supposed to beat out detect hidden sometimes, as opposed to detect hidden revealing you 8 squares away?

that would make sense with tracking and i think there is check skill detect vs hiding no?

[Oswald]

Isn't stealth supposed to nullify tracking?

Also isn't GM hiding supposed to beat out detect hidden sometimes, as opposed to detect hidden revealing you 8 squares away?

that would make sense with tracking and i think there is check skill detect vs hiding no?

Yeah supposedly but the BPD are able to track my thief in stealth mode just fine. Then run up and mash DH in an area and reveal him within 1 attempt.

Furthermore GM Detect Hidden trumps the shit out of GM Hiding - I was under the impression that it would actually be difficult to detect a GM hider but it's not at all

[Mikel123]

Isn't stealth supposed to nullify tracking?

Also isn't GM hiding supposed to beat out detect hidden sometimes, as opposed to detect hidden revealing you 8 squares away?

that would make sense with tracking and i think there is check skill detect vs hiding no?

Yeah supposedly but the BPD are able to track my thief in stealth mode just fine. Then run up and mash DH in an area and reveal him within 1 attempt.

Furthermore GM Detect Hidden trumps the shit out of GM Hiding - I was under the impression that it would actually be difficult to detect a GM hider but it's not at all

Tracking is not impacted by hiding or stealth at all.

GM Detect Hidden is woefully underpowered against GM hiders, but apparently this is era accurate. I am baffled as to how you can come to the opposite conclusion, unless you simply got bad rolls a couple times as a hider and are raging about being revealed.

In any case, a GM Detector will reveal a GM Hider something like 50% of the time he targets the tile the person is hidden on, and less of the time when he targets farther from the hider. As a former GM Dector, it bugged the crap out of me that I couldn't Detect 100% of the time (or anywhere near it), but Mages could cast Reveal and have 100% chance of revealing a GM hider anywhere within their range check for the spell.

[Oswald]

Isn't stealth supposed to nullify tracking?

Also isn't GM hiding supposed to beat out detect hidden sometimes, as opposed to detect hidden revealing you 8 squares away?

that would make sense with tracking and i think there is check skill detect vs hiding no?

Yeah supposedly but the BPD are able to track my thief in stealth mode just fine. Then run up and mash DH in an area and reveal him within 1 attempt.

Furthermore GM Detect Hidden trumps the shit out of GM Hiding - I was under the impression that it would actually be difficult to detect a GM hider but it's not at all

Tracking is not impacted by hiding or stealth at all.

GM Detect Hidden is woefully underpowered against GM hiders, but apparently this is era accurate. I am baffled as to how you can come to the opposite conclusion, unless you simply got bad rolls a couple times as a hider and are raging about being revealed.

In any case, a GM Detector will reveal a GM Hider something like 50% of the time he targets the tile the person is hidden on, and less of the time when he targets farther from the hider. As a former GM Dector, it bugged the crap out of me that I couldn't Detect 100% of the time (or anywhere near it), but Mages could cast Reveal and have 100% chance of revealing a GM hider anywhere within their range check for the spell.

Ask any GM hiding thief what his experiences are with having 1-2 BPD spamming detect hidden on them.

It's not just me 'having bad rolls and raging about being revealed' - and you act like it's difficult to get it down to the exact tile when you can just run around until you bump into something invisible, and there's a lengthy 10 second cooldown before you can attempt to stealth and actually move - so if they are chasing you and see you hide it's pretty damn simple.

[Mikel123]

How do players "spam" something with a 10-second cooldown?

I don't get your point. You're mad because you hide in plain sight of people, and then they use Detect Hidden on you multiple times, and ultimately you end up being revealed. Are you arguing that this should not be the case?

There's a skill called Detect Hidden. It detects people who are hidden. Sorry.

[Oswald]

How do players "spam" something with a 10-second cooldown?

I don't get your point. You're mad because you hide in plain sight of people, and then they use Detect Hidden on you multiple times, and ultimately you end up being revealed. Are you arguing that this should not be the case?

There's a skill called Detect Hidden. It detects people who are hidden. Sorry.

The idea is that GM hiding is supposed to be a little more resistant to detect hidden - which it isn't.

Again, ask any thief what happens when 1 (let alone 2) people use tracking and run up to them and use detect hidden. Thanks to the cooldowns you can't ever get enough time to stealth away and even if you did you'll be tracked and re-detected anyway.

You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about and should shut your mouth.

[Mikel123]

The idea is that GM hiding is supposed to be a little more resistant to detect hidden - which it isn't.

Again, ask any thief what happens when 1 (let alone 2) people use tracking and run up to them and use detect hidden. Thanks to the cooldowns you can't ever get enough time to stealth away and even if you did you'll be tracked and re-detected anyway.

You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about and should shut your mouth.

I know exactly what happens when someone uses the DETECT HIDDEN skill on someone who is Hidden. WTF do you expect to happen? You're hidden. The skill is called Detect Hidden. They are GM at it.

It is resistant. That's why it only has a 50% success rate. You act like you're GM hiding and they have like 17.4 Detect. Not the case. You're both GM, so it has a 50% success rate.

I apologize though - I thought you misunderstood how these things worked, so I tried to clear things up. It's clear now that this is just a whine post, so you may feel free to continue to vent on how unfair it is that the Detect Hidden skill can be used to detect hidden people.