UO Second Age

Panthor the Hated wrote:All of my posts have been relevant nox, regardless of your agreement or approval. Instead of just dismissing my arguments out of hand maybe you should respond to their substance.

Kthx.

There has been very little substance other than "we did it in the past, so do it now", which as we've discussed is nothing more than a fallacy concerning present day. You've also completely ignored my questions and information regarding T2A, conveniently. No inconsistencies or inaccuracies have been pointed out as of yet. Please at least provide some information as it regards to T2A other than grandfathering, where you ignored the inaccuracies of the process in order to present your statement.

noxmonk wrote:

Panthor the Hated wrote:All of my posts have been relevant nox, regardless of your agreement or approval. Instead of just dismissing my arguments out of hand maybe you should respond to their substance.

Kthx.

There has been very little substance other than "we did it in the past, so do it now", which as we've discussed is nothing more than a fallacy concerning present day. You've also completely ignored my questions and information regarding T2A, conveniently. No inconsistencies or inaccuracies have been pointed out as of yet. Please at least provide some information as it regards to T2A other than grandfathering, where you ignored the inaccuracies of the process in order to present your statement.

Why should he?

DrFaustus wrote: Why should he?

I'm going to respond as ambiguously as you have. Why shouldn't he?

noxmonk wrote:

DrFaustus wrote: Why should he?

I'm going to respond as ambiguously as you have. Why shouldn't he?

Ambiguous topic deserves ambiguous answer.

DrFaustus wrote:

noxmonk wrote:

DrFaustus wrote: Why should he?

I'm going to respond as ambiguously as you have. Why shouldn't he?

Ambiguous topic deserves ambiguous answer.

I read this and the Ambiguously Gay Duo SNL theme pops in my head

Teknix wrote:

DrFaustus wrote:

noxmonk wrote:

DrFaustus wrote: Why should he?

I'm going to respond as ambiguously as you have. Why shouldn't he?

Ambiguous topic deserves ambiguous answer.

I read this and the Ambiguously Gay Duo SNL theme pops in my head

I am Ace, DrFaustus is Gary.

I just wanted to throw my two cents on the subject here.

First off, thanks Derrick for staying with what you said you were going to do, which is no surprise to me at all.

Now, Ive seen a lot of people whine about how if they knew this was going to happen they would have used their bless deeds. Well, so many people spend time putting messages on the boards, sometimes it just takes a simple question to staff.
For instance, very shortly after christmas and the complaining about unbreakable blessed items I messaged Derrick just to see if he had changed anything, he replied telling me that nothing was changed and that when it was there would be regard for the items already made.

So I knew this was going to happen, or at least, if it did, grandfathering the already existing items would surely happen. So I used all the deeds I can and am happy I did.
Simply put, the information of this possibly or inevitably happening was out there.

Now everyone that is complaining clearly does not have any blessed items thusly it doesnt matter to them. It takes a lot of time to get some of these items and they were unbreakable at one time. They should still be unbreakable because that was how it was. Grandfathering has happened all the time in UO. Now all you complainers will keep complaining because the situation is the same, you dont have any nice blessed items and are jealous of those who do.

Indeed, play the game and stop being fooz.

i don't think anybody is arguing against grandfathered blessed clothing because they're jealous. i have multiple grandfathered items and i'm still opposed to blessed items not breaking.

to me, one of the greatest aspects of this game is that when you die you lose everything. blessed and newbied items are an exception to the rule, but they should be breakable. for all of the grandfathered items to exist forever because they're unbreakable is ridiculous imo. if it was upto me, clothing (just like armour and weapons) would take damage and break regardless of whether the items are blessed or not.

the problem lies in the fact that people paid large amounts of money to hue and bless items through the silver system that they thought (or were told) were not going to break. i don't like it, but i respect derricks decision and appreciate how difficult it must have been for him to decide on a course of action.

marmalade wrote:the problem lies in the fact that people paid large amounts of money to hue and bless items through the silver system that they thought (or were told) were not going to break. i don't like it, but i respect derricks decision and appreciate how difficult it must have been for him to decide on a course of action.

Its not a problem if compensation is offered, and we already have precedent with the charged black tubs, as Derrick mentioned earlier in the thread. If people refuse the compensation, well they have made that choice of their own backs surely.

I dropped 200 trophy points on my pair of black sandies i demand compensation!
hehe
marm is right though they really all should break (not that I am unhappy my blacks and neons are grandfathered)..
But as marm also said: when I dropped 200 trophies on the blacks and another 150 on the cbd I was under the impression they wouldn't break..
I don't run around wearing all my leet gear though.. This "blessed breakable items" has gone back and forth for a while and since I rarely check the patch notes I never wear my blessed items for PVP
Derrick did good on this one- but I would expect to see a change to these "grandfathered" items somewhere down the road.

i wouldn't expect that ...
be thankful for what you have platy

Guerrilla wrote:I'd just like to take this time out to thank Derrick publicly for his decision regarding this topic.

x2

This is the way OSI handled there issues. If it isn't hurting mechanics of the game in the future the item stays the same. If it does affect mechanics like speeding something up, making it hit harder, crafting something better, etc then it is changed. Unbreakable blessed clothing isn't making persons A (w/ grandfathers) better at playing the game than persons B (w/o grandfathers).

OSI always handled it like this.

IMHO it is era accurate, Derrick made a very good choice.

For those that say it's unfair b/c they get something we don't have or can't obtain, welcome to the second age accurate UO. Learn how to make lots of gold to buy these new unique!!! (FYI: I don't own any of these grandfathered items)

The grandfathered blessed items shouls all have 0 armor rating then.....if they are going to be blessed, indestructable, they better not give an AR rating. If they do, it is an unfair mechanic as they would not lose AR rating over time due to damage taken by the item. If Derrick is going to let them exist, then they need to be 0 AR.

Brules wrote:The grandfathered blessed items shouls all have 0 armor rating then.....if they are going to be blessed, indestructable, they better not give an AR rating. If they do, it is an unfair mechanic as they would not lose AR rating over time due to damage taken by the item. If Derrick is going to let them exist, then they need to be 0 AR.

the said items will reach 0 durability they just never break, just as before- so they will reach 0 AR as well. I too agree with marm though and believe they should be subject to the same rules. And tbh I think they all eventually will. We're making it unfair by asking for compensation for pixels.
Lets all stop waiving our epeens around and focus on stuff that is very important. Like climate change (originally referred to as global warming) and that 65% of all women in the world are only able to climax when alone. We with our huge epeens should be able to brainstorm and fix these two problems swiftly and effectively.
Honestly though, in the end when all is said and done- are you gonna tell me you were in the felucca or trammel boat? Ok so it's a trick question, there is but one facet- t2a and you're either in it or you not.

ps- stop flamming Derrick for coming up with one of the best temporary fixes for what most feel is an ongoing problem. He can't please everyone and it isn't right for us to think he can/should. BTW when this is all over i'd like to have your brass balls delivered to me Derrick. I have a few things that need to be done in RL and they would prove most useful.