The Definition of Unattended Resource Gathering

[noxmonk]

I just don't see the reasoning behind this. I could go on a zealous run to ban tamers from making gold! But its not accurate, and I haven't really seem them as a problem. That is the same for macro mining. People are attending, the prices and economy are fine. Sure there may be a lot of GM smiths, but these people had money from somewhere to pay OSI prices or higher. Take it to the source! People just keep making era inaccurate suggestions, and following their own personal agenda.

Except there's a glaring inaccuracy of razors ability to macromine being completely out of era. Sawdust, eye, plank.

[Daolin]

Then hit the source! Ban all 3rd party programs! At least get it right and not make it a personal agenda vs. one thing

[noxmonk]

Then hit the source! Ban all 3rd party programs! At least get it right and not make it a personal agenda vs. one thing

Forcing Razor to abide by all UOA features would be the wisest step. However, for some reason, the administration has been unwilling to do this. Perhaps there's a deeper issue but I didn't think it would be that troublesome.

[Wise]

Daolin makes a VERY good point, if using Razor to MACRO mining is illigal, on 1, 2 or 3 clients while attended, then using Razor to Macro ANYTHING should be, razor itself is out or era and innacurate.


A) razor wont become illigal because everyone from Miners to PvPers will be in revolt over it
B) The staff does not have the time to monitor every player running a mining rail via razor or just by hand

Not to mention that there are FAR better things to complain about, AFK Macroing Resources IS and forever will be Illigal, having higher enforcement/larger punishments is a damn good deturant,

1st offence 2 week ban
2nd offence permiban

I know of at least a few players (none of which I assosiate with) that have beeb caught AFK resource gathering on a few occations only to have their resources confinscated and let to go on their mary way, this is not acceptable

Finally I think the REAL issue here is the allowance of 3 accounts loged in at once per IP, Bumping this down to 1 client per Computer IP its the most accurate and simple solution to all of this, just off the top of my head it solves

1. multi client resource gathering
2. ghosting
3. bringing a 2nd or 3rd character to pvp battles
4. scripts which use multi clients
5. IDOC camping accounts


and the list goes on, allowing multiple UO clients goes against FUNDIMENTAL programming of the client its self not allowing more then one instance open, this would allow for those who said they "multi boxed" durring the era to still do so, and those who cant/dont simply wont.

[Daltrey]

Multi-clienting allows for so much more than just uber-resource gathering, though, like skill training, and a quick rez when one of your guys takes a dirt nap. I'd rather not see multi-clienting taken away, unless it comes with a limit of one account per person, which I would be in favor of (but daresay most would not be).

Yes, I multi-cliented on OSI, too.

[noxmonk]

I know of at least a few players (none of which I assosiate with) that have beeb caught AFK resource gathering on a few occations only to have their resources confinscated and let to go on their mary way, this is not acceptable

But you do associate with EUO users!
[17:41] <Talon> you must be one of the biggest resource gatherers on this shard buddy
03[17:41] * Talon is now known as Redhawk
[17:43] <@Marfu> I probably am
[17:43] <@Marfu> biggest legitimate at least
[17:43] <@Marfu> I've sold hundreds of thousands of ingots
[17:43] <@Marfu> probably going on half a million boards
[17:44] <Redhawk> how can yuo be an illegitimate resource gatherer ?
[17:44] <@Marfu> easyuo or other programs, afk-gathering, duping
08[17:52] * Dagon ([email protected]) Quit (Quit)
[17:53] <Redhawk> ooh
[17:53] <Redhawk> i gather them while im at computer but i use easyuo to do my mining
[17:54] <Redhawk> but im still legit lol
[17:54] <Redhawk> i wasted 2.5k ingots and im at 59.7 blacksmithy
[17:54] <Redhawk> this is fricken sweet
07[17:54] * Redhawk knocks on wood
[17:54] <Redhawk> i dont wanna jinx myself
[17:55] <@Marfu> lol
[17:57] <@Marfu> Redhawk, do you have a vendor in the tower?
[18:06] <@Wise|work> evening all
[18:07] <@Marfu> Evening wise!
[18:07] <@Marfu> did you see my post on housing contest?

[Daolin]

Once again Nox, there are more friendly ways to gain attention if you want it

Red did not state he afk mines (he doesn't; he doesn't even automate)

[Wise]

Nox, again you bring up this one post about a guild member who once admitted to using EUO, (only after you were a douche and we removed you from our public channel)

Redhawk NEVER Unattended Resource Gatherd
Once it was made public to me and Secondage that he had used EUO (I dident know before this incedent) Redhawk expressed his appologies and wished to resign from $$$ which I Declined, we all make mistakes and I am POSITIVE many users use EUO I told him that it was a VERY serious offence and he should refrain from using it there after if he still wanted to be a part of $$$ & Secondage as I am not about to allow players to exploit the rules, wheather they are in my guild or not.

Finally I would appriciate if you stoped with the FAILED attempts to tarnish $$$ Guild and myself

I know of at least a few players (none of which I assosiate with) that have beeb caught AFK resource gathering on a few occations only to have their resources confinscated and let to go on their mary way, this is not acceptable

Redhawk Nor any other $$$ Member or assosiate of mine AFK resource gathers.

enough with the thread derailment Nox your begining to seem like a Troll who's opinion has lost all value and meaning :/

[noxmonk]

Nox, again you bring up this one post about a guild member who once admitted to using EUO, (only after you were a douche and we removed you from our public channel)

Actually, all I did was state in the main channel what was said in your channel. Apparently a quote is trashtalk.
08[19:52] * You were kicked by Drazaos[afk] (For talkin shit on Red)

Finally I would appriciate if you stoped with the FAILED attempts to tarnish $$$ Guild and myself

I don't see how quoting someone is tarnishing their image unless the quote itself tarnish their own image, in which case they have no one to blame but themselves. You're directing the tarnishing accusation in the wrong direction sir.

enough with the thread derailment Nox your begining to seem like a Troll who's opinion has lost all value and meaning :/

It's pertinent to the broader topic of how to punish those who willfully use EUO even though they know it's illegal... as stated here:
03[01:15] * Talon ([email protected]) has joined #$$$
08[01:16] * +Redhawk ([email protected]) Quit (Ping timeout)
[01:22] <Talon> hey Hawkwind
[01:22] <Talon> do you use easyuo ever ?
03[01:22] * Talon is now known as Redhawk
[01:22] <+Hawkwind|Mining> don't think ive even heard of it
03[01:23] * Hawkwind|Mining is now known as Hawkwind|afk
[01:23] <+Hawkwind|afk> what is it?
[01:26] <Redhawk> its macroing program
[01:27] <Redhawk> its illegal on uosecond age but i use it to mine
[01:27] <Redhawk> you cant afk mine with it but theresa macro that lets you mine a spot dry just by hitting f5
[01:29] <+Hawkwind|afk> wow pretty sweet
[01:31] <Redhawk> yea i like it
[01:32] <Redhawk> www.[explitively deleted].com
[01:32] <Redhawk> great for other skill training things too
[01:33] <+Hawkwind|afk> I'll check it out

Apparently he didn't really care if it was illegal or not.

[Daolin]

Nox, if your purpose isn't to be a jerk or tarnish a guild's reputation, then why repeatedly post? I've watched you post it in IRC and on the forums several times out of the blue. We have confronted the issue already, so there is no need to post to bring it to our attention. So yes, at this point it does feel more like repeated slander.

[noxmonk]

Nox, if your purpose isn't to be a jerk or tarnish a guild's reputation, then why repeatedly post? I've watched you post it in IRC and on the forums several times out of the blue. We have confronted the issue already, so there is no need to post to bring it to our attention. So yes, at this point it does feel more like repeated slander.

I only posted this twice, and said it once in a public irc channel, as did redhawk, obviously. The second one is a different quote wherein the illegality of it is of no concern to him. So, two threads pertaining to AFK macro'ing/ semi-attended resource gathering and once during a discussion of euo and afk macro'ing in irc. My posts are all relevant to their respective topics. If I had more people from my IRC logs so brazenly telling the shard that they care not for the rules here, then I would post them. This not an attack on $$$, it happened in your channel, by your member. If you feel guilt by association, then that is your problem to deal with. I'm merely reporting facts.

[Daolin]

If you feel guilt by association, then that is your problem to deal with.

lol.. A piece of work for sure. Take care

[Faust]

Easy Nox, don't bust a blood vessel... Edit: Oops, I meant hemorrhoids...

[noxmonk]

Easy Nox, don't bust a blood vessel... Edit: Oops, I meant hemorrhoids...

Calm down niece. Stop thread-stalking me.

[Faust]

Who would stalk a nobody?