UO Second Age

It is an exploit of the game mechanics and the unique rules of UOSA. Justify it and attack those that are against it all you'd like, the plain and simple fact is that is an exploit and clearly breaks the game's risk v. reward structure.

valheru wrote:

It is an exploit of the game mechanics and the unique rules of UOSA. Justify it and attack those that are against it all you'd like, the plain and simple fact is that is an exploit and clearly breaks the game's risk v. reward structure.

Explain how it is an exploit of the game mechanics. Ghosting people is a strategy that goes back to 1997, also, people could easily multiclient during t2a.

valheru wrote:this is not an exploit. this is how the game WAS in t2a. people DID multiclient/ghost during t2a, it was totally possible, it wasn't a cheat, and you couldn't be banned for it.

valheru wrote:the fact is, there is a game mechanic that you do not like because it gives people an advantage against you. nothing is stopping you from putting your own ghost in your hunting locations in order to see whether or not you are being ghosted. sounds like you are just being outplayed.

valheru wrote:you're being outplayed by a t2a accurate system and you're upset. this forum is for T2A accuracy suggestions only. please, stick to those.

valheru wrote:using your mentality, i can say that NOBODY had a good enough connection to run as fast as they do here on horses, and are thus EXPLOITING a game mecahnic when they run away on a mount. should we also get rid of mounts? (this is why other accurate servers got rid of mounts)

valheru wrote:as much as you cry and whine, this will never change in your favor. you're just wasting your time.

Kraarug wrote:I ask Derrick to consider the case I've presented along with others and to make his decision. I'm fine either way but at least I've tried.

Biohazard wrote:

Kraarug wrote:I ask Derrick to consider the case I've presented along with others and to make his decision. I'm fine either way but at least I've tried.

I approve this message.

This is an exploit of the ability to view multiple parts of the world without risk of loss to the viewer "ghost". That ghost can not be attacked or forced to leave by any means available to another player. This was not part of the game's design.

By even the most conservative definitions, this ability is clearly an exploit.

A) multi clienting was ILLEGAL. Whether it was on one computer or two computers side by side, you have to PROVIDE PROOF that OSI banned people for playing two accounts at once. I used two accounts at once, and i was NEVER banned. Period. It's T2A accurate.

B) you need to provide proof that being able to view other players as a ghost was not T2A accurate. i'm FAIRLY certain that i was able to view other players RISK FREE as a ghost when I played during T2A, on multiple clients.

Duke Jones wrote:

A) multi clienting was ILLEGAL. Whether it was on one computer or two computers side by side, you have to PROVIDE PROOF that OSI banned people for playing two accounts at once. I used two accounts at once, and i was NEVER banned. Period. It's T2A accurate.

B) you need to provide proof that being able to view other players as a ghost was not T2A accurate. i'm FAIRLY certain that i was able to view other players RISK FREE as a ghost when I played during T2A, on multiple clients.

A) I believe this is the same issue as the multiboxing problems in other MMOs such as WOW. And I only assume that in a standard subscription-based MMO the company's policy is "hey if you want to pay for X many acccounts, fair enough"

Since this is not a pay-to-play game, we see some fuzziness in policy for accounts. And really, the only way I see to get around this is for 1 free account and donators get more than one account, and very few people would like that.

B) There's a difference in being able to see players as ghosts and EXPLOITING that ability to take advantage and deteriorate gameplay and the risk vs. reward mechanic of the game.

The ability to HAVE gold is not the same as exploiting the ability too have gold and dupe it.

B) There's a difference in being able to see players as ghosts and EXPLOITING that ability to take advantage and deteriorate gameplay and the risk vs. reward mechanic of the game.

The ability to HAVE gold is not the same as exploiting the ability too have gold and dupe it.

valheru wrote:

This is an exploit of the ability to view multiple parts of the world without risk of loss to the viewer "ghost". That ghost can not be attacked or forced to leave by any means available to another player. This was not part of the game's design.

By even the most conservative definitions, this ability is clearly an exploit.

The game was DESIGNED to be able to view other players as a ghost. This is what people are doing.

valheru wrote:You need to provide proof that:

A) multi clienting was ILLEGAL. Whether it was on one computer or two computers side by side, you have to PROVIDE PROOF that OSI banned people for playing two accounts at once. I used two accounts at once, and i was NEVER banned. Period. It's T2A accurate.

Point is Multi-Clienting is not the issue as it is allowed by UOSA.  OSI did NOT allow it and would have deemed it an exploit.

Here on UOSA we have a condition where certain players abuse and exploit Derricks generous policy of allowing 3 accounts AND multi-clienting.  

Most of us agree that 3 accounts AND multi-clienting is a good thing.

Most of us agree that using one's accounts AND multi-clienting to plant a ghost in order to conduct risk-free recon is not only sad and pathetic, but an exploit of Derrick's generous policies.

This should be enough to warrant having something done.

As i explained in an earlier post, just because it was possible to do during the Era does not mean that it is an era accurate 'feature' that must or even should be replicated here.

Pristiq wrote:I agree with alatar. Derrick needs to state his opinion and close the topic.