Should racial/sexual remarks be tolerated?

[DarkWing]

Game Filters are not the answer ... turn on the profanity filter and you can no longer understand what anyone is talking about .... any words with a possible bad word with in it are affected such as " Grape, Therapist, Massive, passive ... the list goes on and on.

OSI was never able to get this thing to work right, thats why the GM's had to get involved,
and send people to jail for 3 days,

and ignoring people in game only sets you up to some bad Deals ... ganked, scammed etc,

There is NO room for Racial or Sexual Language in Any Game!!!

[Werthers Chewbackas]

I won't argue otherwise if the Staff's policy is one of preventing that sort of language from happening. I understand this shard is host to some children so if anything they should do that sort of thing. I wasn't aware that the language filter would essentially turn words like "grape" into "g$%@#".

[Derrick]

The real question here is, is the staff of Second Age's role one that includes Social Services. Most people will answer this question immediately with either a Big Yes, or a Big No, because we have a variety of people here who all view the game very differently, and want the society of the shard to be a particular thing of their preference, which is a very good thing.

The players have shaped the in-game community and society of Second Age, and are therefore entirely responsible for the diversity and richness that it has become.

I belive that staff interference in interaction between players takes the responsibility from players to interact freely and build an in game culture. Putting staff in a role of arbitrating personal interaction takes this accomplishment from the players to some extent.

Be clear that I'm not saying that people going around throwing racial slurs at everyone they see creates richness and depth, but it's a side effect of the freedom of interaction that exists in Second Age. Much like the real world, if you call someone a name (be it racial, sexual or whatever), most likely higher beings will not appear in a puff of smoke and take away the person that offended you. But also much like the real word, although differing in mechanism, it's possible to remove yourself from the situation, or unlike the real word, even "ignore" that players speech.

I'm not saying that this is the last word on this issue, but just something i thought about driving home. We do not at all appreciate the racism and profanity which seems to come from what really is a minority of players on the shard, however policing this isn't necessarily a natural response to the distain.

[Kabal]

Ahh good ol' Derrick and his voice of reason.

[viciouslykillingyou]

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/28 ... 2743ObYbsk

I was told I could walk away which is very true, I can also log off and play many better servers that do not allow a person to be racist as I plan to do if this player is unpunished.

So pretty much the racism policy here seems to be equal to every time I pk someone I can call them whatever I want and as long as I walk away I won't get in trouble.

I read the URL Derrick sent me about this and to be honest, its bullshit, I had a friend banned on OSI for something as little as calling someone a fag. I do not see how racism is any lesser of a violation of the terms of service than my friend who was removed for saying fag.

Pick the care bears with the racist attitudes over the PvPers just like OSI did, look how well OSI turned out, enjoy a server full of racist bards.

All flames will be ignored, All staff posts will be read.

/Edit I PMd Mr. Derrick in game, he told me to post, removed my post and added it here.

I can understand the desire to not lose player base but you have to accept you will lose player base one way or the other. If you choose to keep the racists and immature players well congrats your server will fall to pieces like many before it. Am I immature for rez killing people? Hell no. Is someone immature for raging and using every slur in the book, no doubt in my mind they are the weak link and immature.

The original post in this thread says it all and you choose to ignore it and be the "voice of reason" what a joke this server is turning out to be and I had such high hopes for it.

[Daolin]

why post this publicly if you are going to ignore replies? Just PM a staff member

wtf happened? I thought this was a different thread entirely lol.. post warping.. my post intended for above poster

[Derrick]

We have the ability server side to censor any individual word or phrase we desire, we well never have to "punish" people for using words, because if those words were a violation of our rules we simply would not broadcast them.

Our policy of not interfering in player's interactions has been pretty firmly planted for some time. I assure you it's no joke but is a policy which has been discussed heavily and in place for some time.

[orionsune]

Well with the policies made clear on the matter and the obvious disapproval of the racists and grievers, the answer is very clear. Do what the human race does best in situations like this. Band together and make the perpetrators' life a living hell. So who has the balls to lead this movement? If interested, shoot me a PM, E-Mail, or IM... all of which are available on my profile. I'm sure we can find enough guild leaders, their members and individuals to take on this threat ourselves. Among the Guild leaders i'm sure is someone capable of leading this movement and I would love nothing more than to facilitate this, so in the meantime i'm taking muster and contact info until that leader steps forward.

[sirrayiv]

OSI took things way too far back in the day. There is an ignore feature, and a language filter. I suggest players start using them. People who have racist or filthy mouths can be avoided.

The players that I would target for banning are the players who create characters with inappropiate names, and the characters who have something inappropiate in their guild titles. Common sense would suggest to these players not to name their characters inappropiately, so the players who do this, are openly defiant, and deserve to be banned without even an explanation in my opinion.

However, for players who just have a filthy mouth and a griefing playstyle, I don't think anything should be done to these guys. There will always be jerks while playing online games, and these jerks make the overall experience of playing online more enjoyable. Besides getting revenge on a "Jerk" can be quite satisfying.

[caveman]

I love the ignore feature. I haven't used it here yet but have had wonderful experiences with it on production shards.

[leterrien]

I don't think it would be too imposing to have a server side filter for just racial/sexual slurs. And there are easy ways to get around it anyways with 1337 speak.

There is this one server that auto-jails you every time you said any cuss word. That is just too lame, but maybe something that just takes the word out completely. Another idea is for it to auto-change the word. So it would call someone a "nacho fart" or "nocturnal friend" or whatever.

[Werthers Chewbackas]

You mother-fluxing couch!

Son of a biscuit!

[Thraximus Zog]

Edited for content.

..can't think of anything sexual to say... well you get the idea of this post..


ENJOY!


-Thrax, Drunker than Kadafi-


Please refer to this thread before trying to make cool 'statement' posts in open forums.
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8249

Thanks, Nevermore

[platypus]

I just don't understand why anyone would quit the shard because they saw someone say a swear word or racist word in-game. Have you people ever ventured out into the real world? Have you ever visited any non-UO-related websites? I hear sexist, racist and obscene words everyday and see them on many other websites. UO contains violence and blood and was released with a "Mature" rating on the box. This means you probably shouldn't be playing UO if you are under 18 or if you are offended enough by swearing/violence to post three threads about it.

Do you people seriously expect staff to read every word typed in-game and ban people for saying a word you consider offensive? Do you expect them to respond to pages and waste their time reading a log of what someone said to you? That is pretty ridiculous considering the thousands of hours of work Derrick and other staff members have put into this shard. Grow up and deal with reality. There will always be offensive, immature and stupid people in both the online world and the real world, no matter where you go.

I'm all for server-side censoring of certain racist/sexist words if Derrick deems it necessary, but NOT if its because of grown men whining about it on the forums. What if some people are offended by a polymorphed man wearing female armor/crossdressing? What if someone was raped with a butcher knife when they were a child and can't stand seeing knives? Do we remove them from the game? I mean seriously.

[JoshuaLee]

I just don't understand why anyone would quit the shard because they saw someone say a swear word or racist word in-game. Have you people ever ventured out into the real world? Have you ever visited any non-UO-related websites? I hear sexist, racist and obscene words everyday and see them on many other websites. UO contains violence and blood and was released with a "Mature" rating on the box. This means you probably shouldn't be playing UO if you are under 18 or if you are offended enough by swearing/violence to post three threads about it.

Do you people seriously expect staff to read every word typed in-game and ban people for saying a word you consider offensive? Do you expect them to respond to pages and waste their time reading a log of what someone said to you? That is pretty ridiculous considering the thousands of hours of work Derrick and other staff members have put into this shard. Grow up and deal with reality. There will always be offensive, immature and stupid people in both the online world and the real world, no matter where you go.

I'm all for server-side censoring of certain racist/sexist words if Derrick deems it necessary, but NOT if its because of grown men whining about it on the forums. What if some people are offended by a polymorphed man wearing female armor/crossdressing? What if someone was raped with a butcher knife when they were a child and can't stand seeing knives? Do we remove them from the game? I mean seriously.

If your referring to me platypus you are truly mistaken, that is not why I am leaving. Besides I don't see what it has to do with you. I use to admire and respect you but then you turned out to be just as shady as the rest.