UO Second Age

Kraarug wrote:

Derrick wrote:Thanks for looking into this, I'm hesitant to take any action on this unless we're certain.

With Hemps post and this quote from the stealth page it should be pretty air tight.

Any of the actions which normally unhides you still will. (including snooping)

http://web.archive.org/web/199910012205 ... tealth.htm

Give me some time on this... I know iin the past i came across the links you guys have and thought "wow, snooping reveals stealth??? thats odd" and the reason i remember this is bc i came across something that contradicted/explained it.

Just havnt had time to search for it.

You can't 100% trust Stratics. It got proved wrong so many times.

btw, look what i found: http://groups.google.be/group/rec.games ... ffc0e2c8c7

According to the Origin site using snooping while hidden should no
longer unhide you

The direct quote from Origin's page is as follows: under 'Other
Changes'

'The following skills will not unhide you when they are used:
Snooping, Detect Hidden, Item Identification, Anatomy, Arms Lore,
Animal Lore, Evaluate Intellect, Forensics Evaluation, and Poisoning.

yet, people report that they get revealed. perhaps it was a bug or something.

rouss wrote:

The direct quote from Origin's page is as follows: under 'Other
Changes'

'The following skills will not unhide you when they are used:
Snooping, Detect Hidden, Item Identification, Anatomy, Arms Lore,
Animal Lore, Evaluate Intellect, Forensics Evaluation, and Poisoning.

Can you add a link and or date to this?

Derrick wrote:

rouss wrote:

The direct quote from Origin's page is as follows: under 'Other
Changes'

'The following skills will not unhide you when they are used:
Snooping, Detect Hidden, Item Identification, Anatomy, Arms Lore,
Animal Lore, Evaluate Intellect, Forensics Evaluation, and Poisoning.

Can you add a link and or date to this?

sure: http://update.uo.com/design_25.html (16.11.1999), yet on the right it says 26 aug. either of them match our cut off date though

Thanks. I guess the only remaining question then is, are you revealed if you are "stealthed".
I'm betting on no, but there's nothing concrete on this; All the earlier references predate this patch note.

Derrick wrote:Thanks. I guess the only remaining question then is, are you revealed if you are "stealthed".
I'm betting on no, but there's nothing concrete on this; All the earlier references predate this patch note.

found info on this hehehe

look: http://groups.google.be/group/rec.games ... 528b9c9087

(31.12.1999)

2. Snooping is nerfed. It is totally worthless to the Rogue. I can hide
and I can walk 16 spaces in stealth walking. But when I snoop a pack,
I'm revealed. It does me no good then to even stealth up to you. The
only way to counteract this is by waiting next to the person you want to
snoop, snooping, waiting for his pack to open and then hiding again.
Hopefully you hide successful and the player does not notice.

So, you ARE revealed if snoop while stealthed. Case closed?

Derrick wrote:Thanks. I guess the only remaining question then is, are you revealed if you are "stealthed".
I'm betting on no, but there's nothing concrete on this; All the earlier references predate this patch note.

What? With the amount of evidence here it's really a landslide...

this can completely nerf stealing by target and make stealing in dungeons more random and challenging.

rouss wrote:this can completely nerf stealing by target and make stealing in dungeons more random and challenging.

I disagree, this will only promote steal-by-type becuase it will be more difficult to snoop people. Why bother with stealth when you can just ride up to them on a dexer and have a better shot?

MatronDeWinter wrote:

rouss wrote:this can completely nerf stealing by target and make stealing in dungeons more random and challenging.

I disagree, this will only promote steal-by-type becuase it will be more difficult to snoop people. Why bother with stealth when you can just ride up to them on a dexer and have a better shot?

how can you steal by type if you didnt snoop before that?

that dexer-thief comparison is a thing of personal preference.

LOL at this change :/

If you look at the current page that notes the changes to revealing while using certain skills, it shows that snooping was no longer on the list. Thus, it is clear that while it was originally planned to no longer reveal, this was changed at some point, and snooping continued to unhide you (this is specifically tied to stealthing in any iteration that we have observed so far).

Kaivan wrote:If you look at the current page that notes the changes to revealing while using certain skills, it shows that snooping was no longer on the list. Thus, it is clear that while it was originally planned to no longer reveal, this was changed at some point, and snooping continued to unhide you (this is specifically tied to stealthing in any iteration that we have observed so far).

Our "era" timeframe, is what I would consider to "accurately" be the worst possible span in t2a.

Stratics reference from 09/01/1999 stating the same thing as the UO patch notes page:

http://web.archive.org/web/199910130013 ... index.html

The following skills will not unhide you when they are used: Snooping, Detect Hidden, Item Identification, Anatomy, Arms Lore, Animal Lore, Evaluate Intelligence, Forensic Evaluation, and Poisoning.

Could be a typo on the official uo patch note?