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Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:37 am
by Faust
That would be the logical approach when they implemented this Derrick but it may very well not have been based on the google group discussion posted above by me...
Yep. Once again, the actions of a few jerks hurt the rest of us. I'm not a programmer, so don't know why OSI can't just code in a price on a deed so that you resell it for what you paid.
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:42 am
by Cataclyst
That Google discussion though doesn't really give you any information on what they are talking about, it's also in 2001, so for all we know they could be discussing other bugs =/?
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:54 am
by Faust
That is true since the bug could have been released after era but unlikely.
Description of the exploit...
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:58 am
by Cataclyst
Sheesh, If only we had all realized this back when it first came out, imagine the $$$ we could of made

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Ah well, it definitely will not be added, and that seems to prove that at one point it WAS possible, guess that sums it up! OSI wasn't the brightest
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:59 am
by Derrick
It was my understanding that the price was recorded. I don't know what that belief at the time was based on, but the selling of deeds was apart from regular vendor sale mechanics. Insituted in March 1999:
http://wiki.uosecondage.com/?title=Ulti ... 03/28/1999
While it's possible what is described above as "quite a while" could mean that it went back to T2A; there is certainly no chance whatsoever that this would be implemented even if deemed "accurate". If would be more interesting to know if there was a discount to the sell price prior to this change in 2001 (described as 20% at that time).
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:08 am
by Cataclyst
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The page has the screenshots listed as fall of 1999 (Sept-Nov), Secondages cutoff date is when?
It seems this was also brought up in a previous thread, guess no one got around to checking it out.
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16613
What exactly are our prices on the houses based off of anyway? Is there an archived page I'm failing to find, or are we going off of stratics?
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:31 am
by Faust
Derrick wrote:It was my understanding that the price was recorded. I don't know what that belief at the time was based on, but the selling of deeds was apart from regular vendor sale mechanics. Insituted in March 1999:
http://wiki.uosecondage.com/?title=Ulti ... 03/28/1999
While it's possible what is described above as "quite a while" could mean that it went back to T2A; there is certainly no chance whatsoever that this would be implemented even if deemed "accurate". If would be more interesting to know if there was a discount to the sell price prior to this change in 2001 (described as 20% at that time).
What are the effects of inflation and deflation upon buying stock from regular vendors here?
My recollection of buying reagents was that when you didn't buy the full stack that the price would inflate for the next buy of that specific pile. For example, say you bought 500 out of a stack of 999 regs at 3gp each and the price would increase to 4gp for that pile. I'm pretty sure prices don't inflate here like they did back in the day in this manner.
Here is an example of the way this bug possibly worked based on the old pricing mechanism for vendors...
- Buy houses from one specific row of deeds allowing the final deed to inflate to a higher price.
- Go to a real estate broker and say "appraise".
- Target the last deed bought with the much higher inflated price.
- Broker establishes the price of the selected house deed for brokering temporarily storing the data of it(price & deed type).
- Drop the deed that was bought with the original starting price and get the "appraised" value of the other deed instead of the one you actually sold.
- ++Profit
- Rinse & repeat.
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:53 am
by Derrick
Cataclyst wrote:What exactly are our prices on the houses based off of anyway? Is there an archived page I'm failing to find, or are we going off of stratics?
Oct 1999 stratics:
http://web.archive.org/web/199910081800 ... builds.htm
Like any other vendor item, currently the prices that vendors sell items for do not fluctuate, this is future work.
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:55 am
by Jorel
For some reason i remember taking a hit if you wanted to sell a deed back to the vendor. Maybe it was a different time era or i may just be off my rocker

Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:58 am
by Derrick
Jorel wrote:For some reason i remember taking a hit if you wanted to sell a deed back to the vendor. Maybe it was a different time era or i may just be off my rocker

I do too, my basis for inquiry abou the disconting on selling them. I thought it was 10% too, but I don't remember when. It may have been after Nov 1999. I seem to remember changes, but this is all memory.
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:07 am
by Sandro
The big house-deed scandal came with the introduction of Factions & the ability to raise/lower the prices for each town. You would just simply lower one town to -30%, and raise another to 400%. Self explanatory from there.
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:11 am
by Faust
Plenty of discussions in the google groups stating they got the full price back in '99 and '00.
Here are a few from a brief search...
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:14 am
by Derrick
Thanks. This is my recollection.
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:31 am
by Faust
Source showing that it may have been possible much earlier in June '00 and before Factions was introduced into the game. However, my possible bug stated above would not be valid if this were to be true too.
Also, looks like Alatar was right about there being a
faction exploit too...
Re: New website with screenshots
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:38 am
by Sandro
You needed to control at least 2 towns in order to make it work properly. OSI didn't explore the possibilities completely when allowing players to alter the buy/sell rate of town vendors through the faction system. It worked great in the aspects it was designed for, but it brought in a whole new form of duping with house deeds.
The real estate brokers were unaffected by the faction pricing, so you can see how beneficial it was buying castle deeds at -30% price and then selling them for full price.