nub healing questions...

[Sandro]

You can fail to apply a bandage @ 100 healing & anatomy if you take excessive hits during the time you apply a bandage and when it heals..

Try standing in a fire field the entire time you are applying a bandage and watch how much of an impact bandage slips make on the amount healed.

[Mikel123]

Right, of course. I was talking about failing purely due to trying to heal more damage than your skill allows. Supposedly up to 95 you can fail even without getting hit/interrupted.

[Panthor the Hated]

failure rate at 60 healing is pretty bad, speaking as someone with multiple chars with 60-70 healing

you guys realize 60 healing is only 10 point above 50, which you can start with? 60 in any skill sans tracking is borderline useless.

[SighelmofWyrmgard]

Sandro & Mikel, you don't need me to tell you that your observations are sound.

The issue here is how best to squash useful skills into a tight template, earning the greatest overall returns in character facility.

Regarding "missed hit opportunities due to bandage failure", I've pointed-out that Archery is the better weapon skill for anyone intending to do a lot of kiting, for precisely this consideration. However, I really should have added a clarification on the order of, "if and when you actually need to pull out ... it's PvM, you can pull out, no big deal", because I routinely play melee characters who bandage as they fight, and continue to fight: it's only when double-Flamestriked, or poisoned by a GSS, or ganked by 4+ Trolls/Elementals, or some similar scenario, that the warrior actually needs to stop fighting and disengage to wait for a bandage; nor do these characters need to constantly slurp potions (excepting Cure, these characters hardly ever have to use potions); these characters all have their real skill in Healing capped at 60 (Ability varies according to total stats, but it's in the 65-68ish range).

Panthor, one, but not necessarily both, of the following propositions must be true: you are intentionally lying; you don't know how to play a PvM character. This applies to all of your GM-or-bust tunnelvisionitis: many skills give substantial returns at lower levels.

Grim Tim isn't even asking about a PvM pure-warrior: any properly-played bard-warrior is going to be receiving damage much less often, so much so, in fact, that dedicating 60ish points to Healing at all, instead of Magery, could be considered a big waste; the Healing provided however, is extremely economical, and is not dependent upon sustaining the mana pool, both of which considerations might suffice to justify the skill's inclusion in the template; this type of character is also more capable, in supportive capacity, when cooperating in a team.

I wouldn't describe any of these templates as "gimped", but I must concede that it imposes limitations that must be understood and incorporated into (expectations of) gameplay: naturally, this character will not be Provoke-meleeing Balrons, but can certainly clear the entire floor of Wrong2 single-handedly, given a little time and only a little effort; elsewhere, perhaps, while 2 Dragons are ripping eachother to shreds, this warrior-bard can be helping 2 nearby Fire Elementals to kill themselves off ... players who simply play smart will quickly realize that a 10xGM template is not required; since the skillcap is 700, many would consider this a useful tidbit of knowledge.

SS

[archaicsubrosa77]

Here is some reasoning for you.
If you PVM, you are going to PVP at least a few rounds at times...whether you want to or not.
Do what you want, you should. But once you make this dexxer bard the way you outlined him you will make some of the same conclusions that are stated here by other people.


If you don't mind failing a bandage, you shouldn't mind failing a provoke once and a while and actually less...having ten seconds on provoke and 15 on bandaging notwithstanding.

[Panthor the Hated]

Several people on this shard pvp on their standard 7x mage bards somewhat successfully. Nothing ironic about it.

[SighelmofWyrmgard]

Here is some reasoning for you.
If you PVM, you are going to PVP at least a few rounds at times...whether you want to or not.

Not only is this false, it is ridiculous: I've PvMed at UOSA for more than 6 months now, and in-era for 2 years, and only ever PvPed in guildwars: Recalling from a gank squad is not PvP.

Do what you want, you should. But once you make this dexxer bard the way you outlined him you will make some of the same conclusions that are stated here by other people.

Take your own advice, so that it can be hoped that, at some time in the fantastic future, when you attempt to "supply some reasoning" you might actually know what you are talking about (I doubt it): my Bard has Archery as a weapon skill, 75 Magery, 50Meditation, with low-level Hiding and Tracking, no Healing and no Anatomy; he does just fine; 3 PvM warrior-types (different hybrids) make out just fine with Healing at 60; on a 4th hybrid I intend to cap Healing at 80, for reasons particular to that template (even that is a PvM consideration, not a PvP "concession").

If you don't mind failing a bandage, you shouldn't mind failing a provoke once and a while and actually less...having ten seconds on provoke and 15 on bandaging notwithstanding.

Just when one might think it couldn't get any more stupid ... syntactically, this doesn't even say anything; parsing the gibberish for the intended meaning seems to return "if you think a bard character should short Healing because he will hardly get any use out of it, then you absolutely must think shorting Provocation (for absolutely no reason whatsoever) is also something every Bard must do." Logical-fallacies-galore aside, this is simply the most ridiculous notion in an extremely long list of ridiculous notions. Congratulations.

SS

[archaicsubrosa77]

Dear Sir:

Please link your character's MYUOSA's profile to this thread.
Let's test your theories in game in a real scenerio environment shall we?

Failing to do so admits defeat and no matter how many words or insults you use, proclaims cowardice failing to do so.

You wish to be brutish of tongue, well either stand up and show your cards or shut up.

I am sure there are plenty of people here who wish to see this "successful dexxer bard" you are making....

UP CLOSE!

You are not worthy of any sort of respect whatsoever...just letting you know aforetime. You don't want people to help you...you are begging them to kill you. We'd hate to leave you disappointed.

[SighelmofWyrmgard]

Little boy:

you've been owned so badly, it's beyond humiliation; at least demonstrate the grace to quietly step down, and preserve some small measure of dignity.

Your grudge is with the person who makes you look stupid: it is not I, nor any of the other forum-subscribers who have pointed out your idiocy.

You should also know that grudges, and other styles of inflammatory instigation, have no place in this forum: playing by the rules does not seem to be one of your strengths; based on the examples of your "reasoning" that you have supplied (in almost every thread created in every section of these forums ...), I'd expect the problem is one of comprehension.

SS

[archaicsubrosa77]

Little boy:

you've been owned so badly, it's beyond humiliation; at least demonstrate the grace to quietly step down, and preserve some small measure of dignity.

Your grudge is with the person who makes you look stupid: it is not I, nor any of the other forum-subscribers who have pointed out your idiocy.

You should also know that grudges, and other styles of inflammatory instigation, have no place in this forum: playing by the rules does not seem to be one of your strengths; based on the examples of your "reasoning" that you have supplied (in almost every thread created in every section of these forums ...), I'd expect the problem is one of comprehension.

SS

LOL

There we go. A coward.

Try to recall and escape without wrestling and your 60 healing.

Owned...not a bit. You will be though...you will.

You have instigated in this thread troll. I hadn't once attacked you until you got to be a bugger, thats a big sign of insecurity thinking everyone is against you.

[SighelmofWyrmgard]

When are you going to shut up?

An analogy of "cats and dogs" applies here.

You were originally called to task for offering advice "about dogs" in a thread that's all about "cats"; then you were called to task when you insisted that all "dog-stuff" applies equally to cats; then you were called to task for asserting that anyone who dares disagree with you obviously must not have a cat, and yet it was pointed out that you are the hypocrite-cat-know-it-all who has never had any cats; then you were upbraided for rendering nonsensical gibberish; this was followed by insults and an appeal to force (this is, itself, a logical fallacy), made even-more-idiotic by the fact that this so-called "chivalrous challenge" demands a cat to participate in a dog fight, or else it's not really a cat; at the very last you were upbraided for pursuing a personal grudge.

So, when are you going to shut up?

SS

[Panthor the Hated]

Woah woah, this ain't trash talk fellas.

[andersej]

Whoever uses the most complex words wins. GO!
(cause long words make ur epeen bigger)

[archaicsubrosa77]

Tell you what, lets put both temps one after another for a dexxer bard and reason this out without getting all goofy throwing a hissy fit okay....geez Take a breath man...and look close.

Weapon
Tactics
Anatomy 80
Healing
Magery 60
Music 90
Provoke 90
Resist 80

okay and you advised a "Skald"? Your changes made with the slashes.

Skald
Desired Stats: Str100/Dex100/Int25

100 Anatomy
075 Healing/60
025 Hiding/0-Nil
025 Magery*/65
100 Musicianship
100 Provocation
100 Swordsmanship**
075 Resisting Spells
100 Tactics

*or Tracking
**or Harper: 100Archery;
c.f. Professions of Pride: Dyschord, Champion

in this quote:

I am guessing your intended template would look something like the one called, "Skald", on this page:

viewtopic.php?f=107&t=23281
(you'll need to be logged-in to the forum, as this is in the "Guilds" section)

This is an adequate Bard-Warrior template, although it is rather weak on the Magic side (you would need scrolls for Recall; personally I'd drop Healing to 60-65, and raise Magery to 35-40); however, if you modify this template to 60 Healing and 0 Hiding, you could raise Magery to 65, which can provide quite nice support, and the ability to use Bladespirits

With 25 dex for one, once you cast bladespirit, you can't recall for a looong time. Leaving you with 60 Healing,a mini-heal, and whatever potions you have in your pack that makes the difference between a sigh of relief and a corpse gump with your name on it. You'll do 4 percent more damage with GM anatomy so if you roll a 40...you do an extra point.

You'll fail a little more provoking with mine but not much having higher dex to give you an extra boost to musicianship (because it will not be GMed stats affect it). Plus you will heal alot more and be able to survive longer for mana regeneration in order to recall if need be.

If you plan on using magery for summons and escape, not wanting to hold off a gank squad waiting to get your mana back one every 7 seconds... I would definately boost intelligence to AT LEAST 40 and be conservative. You don't want to recall into a PK ambush with 5 mana...60 healing, and no med

[Panthor the Hated]

Sounds like a grudge, also sounds like a trash talk thread now..