Insta Hit, Weapon Mechanics, and much more...

[Faust]

Read the initial post in this thread and you would actually understand it.

[Kraarug]

The disarm/unequip delay for weapons didn't exist prior to the patch in February of 1999. The delay has been confirmed and validated to be a proper function on the OSI shards. This means that the delay was introduced sometime after the demo, which was compiled in August of 1998 all the way up to now. The only mention of ANY disarm delay is in the source that I provided. Until another source is presented this delay will not be changed. No one in their right mind would swap the only source that you have for the function ,and implement some random function based on absolutely nothing.

I don't think anyone is suggesting implementing a random function for the unequip delay such as.... oh.... I don't know.... an arbitrary 2000ms time delay in lieu of the established stamina base attack speed formula that the rest of the melee combat system is based on except you.

And that's based on one flawed website of a feature that had yet made it out of development if the guy even knew what he was talking about.

[Orsi]

You're original post is a string of assumptions and confusing logic that no one can understand.

What OSI did to fix this solution was to add a 2 second delay described above when you unequip a weapon. If you did the same process with the halberd and katana your delay would always be two seconds after unequipping the weapon to prevent converting the swing delay to something so awfully low. If you would try to equip a hally after unequipping before waiting out the two second delay it would simply reset your swing delay upon equipping.

When OSI implemented this change it gave birth to the insta hit refreshes that I've talked about so much. If you unequipped a weapon your delay would convert to 2 seconds, which is roughly a little over a 6th circle spell or two second circle spells casted back to back. This process makes much more sense than the theory involving it around the wrestling timer.

That's not proof, you just assume this 2-sec delay = your 2-sec Halberd. So theoretically, I could hit with the halberd, unequip it, wait 2 secs, re-equip and hit, unequip it, wait 2 secs, and repeat. You could never do that.

[Faust]

Actually, you very well could. It was always possible to have a swing ready after casting an ebolt. You never knew about it like I previously stated because you never used a 3rd party app. There are plenty of people that utilized this common feature of the t2a era. The common spells casted were 1 ebolt, 2 harms, 3 weakens for a refresh after swinging a hally.

[Orsi]

First off, it doesn't take over 4.5secs to do everything manually without arm/disarm.

Secondly, those functions were in T2A so yes, I would of known if it was like that, it wasn't.

[Faust]

First off, it doesn't take over 4.5secs to do everything manually without arm/disarm.

Secondly, those functions were in T2A so yes, I would of known if it was like that, it wasn't.

Nobody said that you couldn't do it manually... However, you couldn't do it as quickly as UOE could regardless. Yes, it did exist.

[Ezp]

Hmm still going on but no evidence to back up Faust's system to be incorrect...odd. Faust's system is correct sorry to everyone that keeps denying it. When will you show one ounce of evidence? All I see is a select few denying Faust's system but lacks any evidence to back up their claim. Sorry, it just doesn't work out that way
Memory isn't evidence, coulda never played t2a for all we know. I dueled a million times and Faust's system is what I remember. I vividly remember faking ebolts to refresh my hally swings. BUT my memory doesn't count, I'll just let Faust's evidence back that up. He actually has an important thing called EVIDENCE, unlike some other ppl on here

ps Cortez whatever that stuf you posted in the other thread isn't evidence LOL. I have no clue how you think that proves Faust's system incorrect. Let alone how it even has any weight on this subject. BTW and no im not just ignoring it. It was just a bunch of nonsense useless information that did nothing for your case.

CASE CLOSED UNTIL MY REQUEST IS FULLFILLED

[Kraarug]

Hmm still going on but no evidence to back up Faust's system to be incorrect...odd. Faust's system is correct sorry to everyone that keeps denying it. When will you show one ounce of evidence? All I see is a select few denying Faust's system but lacks any evidence to back up their claim. Sorry, it just doesn't work out that way
Memory isn't evidence, coulda never played t2a for all we know. I dueled a million times and Faust's system is what I remember. I vividly remember faking ebolts to refresh my hally swings. BUT my memory doesn't count, I'll just let Faust's evidence back that up. He actually has an important thing called EVIDENCE, unlike some other ppl on here

ps Cortez whatever that stuf you posted in the other thread isn't evidence LOL. I have no clue how you think that proves Faust's system incorrect. Let alone how it even has any weight on this subject. BTW and no im not just ignoring it. It was just a bunch of nonsense useless information that did nothing for your case.

CASE CLOSED UNTIL MY REQUEST IS FULLFILLED

Obviously you didn't read much of the research or perform any type of critical analysis.

Why would you, your mind is made up as evidenced by your big bold red letters. Impressive.

Faust’s claims have about as much credence as the 2002 to 2003 Iraq WMD evidence.

Here’s something that you should probably learn…

Using selective quotes from a flawed and inaccurate source does not build a case.

You must vet the whole source and consider the pattern of statements.. This means to look at more than just a snipit, but to look at what your source has provided as accurate information beforehand and subsequently.

Here are some questions that may help when trying to validate a source. The last two are perhaps the most important:

• Is your source a credible expert or the originator of the topic?
  
  Does the statements of a source hold to be true over time?
  
  Are there any latter statements concerning the topic by the same source?
  
  If so, do they agree?
  
  Are there any other collaborative sources?
  
  Where did the source get their information and can that be verified?

<<Look, I can use red too but all CAPS is tacky.



Also, another important lesson, repeating something over and over doesn’t make it true.

[Faust]

Unlike you Ezp has no bias in this situation at all. He does not play here from my understanding, since no staff is allowed too that has access to the server beyond player status. Your argument solely resolves around your attempt to try and make a "dexer" better based on personal reasons. Why would Ezp lie about using this tactic during the era when he doesn't play here? Why? Perhaps, he is actually using a logical approach unlike you that continues to base your argument on one flaw key note. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE. Get that through you thick skull moron.

It's nice to see an unbias opinion in this matter that knows this feature did in fact exist.

Thanks, enough said.

[Orsi]

Hmm still going on but no evidence to back up Faust's system to be incorrect...odd. Faust's system is correct sorry to everyone that keeps denying it. When will you show one ounce of evidence? All I see is a select few denying Faust's system but lacks any evidence to back up their claim. Sorry, it just doesn't work out that way
Memory isn't evidence, coulda never played t2a for all we know. I dueled a million times and Faust's system is what I remember. I vividly remember faking ebolts to refresh my hally swings. BUT my memory doesn't count, I'll just let Faust's evidence back that up. He actually has an important thing called EVIDENCE, unlike some other ppl on here

ps Cortez whatever that stuf you posted in the other thread isn't evidence LOL. I have no clue how you think that proves Faust's system incorrect. Let alone how it even has any weight on this subject. BTW and no im not just ignoring it. It was just a bunch of nonsense useless information that did nothing for your case.

CASE CLOSED UNTIL MY REQUEST IS FULLFILLED

Faust doesn't have evidence. He has random snippets of player's during the era saying how they killed someone. For example:

Nighthawk wrote:
5> Hally, Ebolt, Hally, Ebolt (as he tries to heal)
from: http://www.wtfman.com/oldjov/stories/nhawk19.htm

First off, the "Hally, Ebolt, Hally, Ebolt (as he tries to heal)" is not a second by second play back and certainly doesn't suggest 2-sec halberd swings.

Secondly, look at the journal log to the left of it, it isn't even how the fight happened. Before Sysic dies, Nighthawk casts: Ebolt, Poison, GHeal (prolly mistake), Ebolt, and Poison. Where the Halberds hit,we don't know, but we certainly know that it definitely wasn't how he decribed it. Faust continues on about the original statement without actually noting how the journal log read.

Patch February 1999
An exploit for getting slow weapons to hit faster has been fixed.

Markee's Dragon February 1999
10) The disarm/arm exploit to get slow weapons to hit faster has been fixed. It will not be to your advantage to disarm/rearm a weapon.

UO Stratics February 1999
Disarming Weapons: gives a 2 second delay. Ok, wonderful but this goes hand in hand with the hit being calculated at the beginning of each swing to cause further inbalances.

The patch notes for February 1999 and Markee's Dragon February 1999 notes are most likely referring to the same patch, as Markee's site was dedicated to reporting on them. This fix, for all we know, could have been to stop people from switching back and forth between katanas/halberds in order to take advantage of the small delay for the faster weapon. The last entry is the 2 second delay which was added in order to prevent this exploit from happening. We cannot deduce from any of this that Halberds were able to refresh every 2-seconds if you simply un-equipped and re-equipped them.

As I said before, there is simply too many assumptions and long shots happening along the path to the solution for this to be considered 'evidence'. The story from Nighthawk is even skewed from the actual events that took place within the picture being described. Patch notes explaining a fix to a problem to do with making slower weapons hit faster are entirely debatable about what feature they are actually fixing.

[Kraarug]

This should be it's own post.... so I cut it and pasted it here



My recap....

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About The 2-Second Delay Source:
Faust's source for some 2 second uneqip delay is flawed and provides a great deal of other inaccurate data.
The source does not provide any information about how the delay he speaks about is used.
The source does not explain were he got his data from.
The source did not mention it again.
Source is dated 2.1.99

About OSI:
OSI says it fixed the slow weapons hitting fast bug 2.26.99

About the 1999 Era WebSpace:
No one else mentions a flat 2 second timer.
There is no other Era evidence that a new fast hally whack existed after 2.26.99.

So... my conclusion?

IF there were any bugs that allowed a manipulated refresh of a slow weapon after 2.26.99 it didn't work like what Faust suggests.

Most likely, like the fist bug, if it did exist again after the 2.26.99 fix, then was facilitated or even manufactured by some 3rd party program.


That would help explain why Faust, or anyone, can not find a published ERA guide suggesting to use it or explaining how to. I believe if people were able use this bug, they were able by something other than an approved interface or program.

Most likely the bug wasn't OSI server or OSI client based and therefore, if it did exist, then UOSA shouldn't replicate it.

[Faust]

rofl...

Secondly, look at the journal log to the left of it, it isn't even how the fight happened. Before Sysic dies, Nighthawk casts: Ebolt, Poison, GHeal (prolly mistake), Ebolt, and Poison. Where the Halberds hit,we don't know, but we certainly know that it definitely wasn't how he decribed it. Faust continues on about the original statement without actually noting how the journal log read.

You clearly just demostrated your lack of knowlegde towards this era... Your claims of playing during this time period was clearly thrown out the window after this last response. Sorry to inform you... A common tactic during the pre:uor era was to mimic your spell words of power by adding other spell words. That is clearly shown each time he casts his ebolt spell... This is down right one of the worst judgement calls that I have seen yet in this thread, lol...

So... my conclusion? I do not think that if there was any bugs that allowed a manipulated refresh of a slow weapon after 2.26.99 that it worked like this.

No one cares about your opinion due to the fact that you never even played during the t2a era and lost all credibility on this issue a long time ago. This will be the case until you provide what is required "evidence with some sort of substance". That was only about the 30th time this has been said now...

It has been clear that you are only arguing this point clearly based on your bias towards making your character's playstyle better than it really was. No matter how obvious the evidence is you will continue to base your opinion on your lack of knowledge during this time period. I find it quite hilarious that the only people that support this ignorance didn't even play the t2a era, lol... I guess that is why people like Scythe can't comprehend the changes in the patch. You have to actually understand how the game mechanics worked from pre-t2a to t2a era to even comprehend the patch notes. However, again lack of knowledge reigns supreme as always on poor individuals that didn't even play...

This is clearly why it was stated by myself that there is no reason trying to explain anything to you until you actually grasp or learn even a fraction of the way the game mechanics worked during both eras.

[Kraarug]

No one cares about your opinion due to the fact that you never played in the t2a era and lost all credibility on this issue a long time ago. This will be the case until you provide what is required "evidence with some sort of substance". It has been clear that you are only arguing this point clearly based on your bias to make dexers better than what they really were. No matter how obvious the evidence is you will continue to base your opinion on your lack of knowledge during this time period. I find it hilarious that the only people that support this ignorance didn't even play the t2a era, lol...

Faust, I know you do not fully read other peoples posts that don't agree with you and seem to have habit of making assumptions based up no real evidence but seriously, find the post where I explained the era, shard, guild and reason for quitting.

You'll see that in fact, I played on OSI Chessy from '98 to the Spring of '00 when I left UO. I came to what was suppose to be a 'Pre UO:R' Spere shard for a week or two in 2004 (left because they coudn't get it right) and then found this shard in 2008 when I stared to think about the game I played and loved 10 years ago.

So, to try to preserve any of your own credibility, should perhaps stop spreading your misconeived assumptions of other people, read other's evidence and replies and try to view the whole issue through a critical eye, and stop with your childish behavior.

Just the quote I have in bold and my previous post on the matter should be enough to make a reasonable person step back and check themselves. You obvisously lack that type of check in your personality and it marks everything you do.

[Orsi]

rofl...

Secondly, look at the journal log to the left of it, it isn't even how the fight happened. Before Sysic dies, Nighthawk casts: Ebolt, Poison, GHeal (prolly mistake), Ebolt, and Poison. Where the Halberds hit,we don't know, but we certainly know that it definitely wasn't how he decribed it. Faust continues on about the original statement without actually noting how the journal log read.

You clearly just demostrated your lack of knowlegde towards this era... Your claims of playing during this time period was clearly thrown out the window after this last response. Sorry to inform you... A common tactic during the pre:uor era was to mimic your spell words of power by adding other spell words. That is clearly shown each time he casts his ebolt spell... This is down right one of the worst judgement calls that I have seen yet in this thread, lol...

So... my conclusion? I do not think that if there was any bugs that allowed a manipulated refresh of a slow weapon after 2.26.99 that it worked like this.

No one cares about your opinion due to the fact that you never even played during the t2a era and lost all credibility on this issue a long time ago. This will be the case until you provide what is required "evidence with some sort of substance". That was only about the 30th time this has been said now...

It has been clear that you are only arguing this point clearly based on your bias towards making your character's playstyle better than it really was. No matter how obvious the evidence is you will continue to base your opinion on your lack of knowledge during this time period. I find it quite hilarious that the only people that support this ignorance didn't even play the t2a era, lol... I guess that is why people like Scythe can't comprehend the changes in the patch. You have to actually understand how the game mechanics worked from pre-t2a to t2a era to even comprehend the patch notes. However, again lack of knowledge reigns supreme as always on poor individuals that didn't even play...

This is clearly why it was stated by myself that there is no reason trying to explain anything to you until you actually grasp or learn even a fraction of the way the game mechanics worked during both eras.

I really question the reason why you even are allowed input into this shard. Your attitude and behaviour is condescending and childish. Now, I'll give you credit on calling out the fake In Nox words, but you've totally lost all my respect. Even still, the situation still does not prove a 2-second Halberd hit. It does not show an actual timeline of how the events happened. And please, I have as much knowledge of the mechanics back in T2A than you, which is to say, it was 10 years ago and it's all based on memory.

I think you're misunderstanding Cortez and I's argument here. We don't need to provide more evidence to disprove you're evidence. You're evidence isn't evidence. I understand most features implemented on this shard are based off of memories and recollections of how it was back in T2A, but this 2-second Halberd hit is only being pushed through because of your recollection of how it was.

[Faust]

I find it hard to believe just like Scythes claims.

Why would someone even dare to say this?

You clearly have shown no understanding of the shifts from pre-t2a to t2a eras involving plate wearing mages, eval int/resist, healing through poison(lol..), the weapon mechanics, and many more that I don't feel like listing... The guy that wrote the article was complaining about the new changes. He referred to many items that was a fun aspect of the pre-t2a era. For example, mages getting beat down by dexers would be more common without the armor helping... The eval int comment about how resist was going to be useless. Compared to HOW resist worked before the eval int the skill was GOD like. It makes complete since that the guy would say resist would be comletely useless basedon how it worked before eval int was implemented. However, according to your comments this guy didn't have a clue about anything he was saying. If you understood the eras you would know why he made the comments that he did... Good job handling that one chump.

Please you can make this claim all you want but anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence will know better.

It does not show an actual timeline of how the events happened.

When you provide an explanation towards how two hally hits that take 5 seconds to swing were released during 3 in vas mani's that takes 1.25s to cast I will give you a fraction of my time.

PS
People listen to me because they know that I know my shit about the t2a era, and that I am hands down one of the best researchers ever. The same thing applies to those that hate me that just don't want to admit it. I have proven myself time after time with my relentless hours of work and researching for this shard.

Really embarassing that the “higher” powers of this shard are so degrading to players that actually have a case. Ezp is never active here nor have I ever seen him make any input worth anything...so nevermind him. Hardly a classy staff member.

Higher powers? Who exactly has higher powers?

I don't have a counselor, seer, gm, or admin account here... How exactly does that make me have "higher" powers? I play on this shard no different than you. The only difference between you and I is that I don't continue misquoting staff members getting myself banned. At least until you're perma banned the next time around.

Also, I find it hilarious how you made a comment about a player degrading players when you just degraded a staff member, Ezp... rofl... The only embarrassing thing here is you. I don't know why Derrick unbanned a moron like yourself that continues to do the same shit over and over. I have a good feeling the next time around won't be the same.

Thanks,
Faust