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Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:37 pm
by Akanigit
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:17 pm
by Duke Jones
Great find, Akanigit Epic WIN.
"Is it legal to use a program to help me macro out repetitive tasks while I am away from the game?
Although we realize that many players use 3rd party programs, such as macro programs, to aid in the growth of their characters, we want to point out that unattended macroing runs contrary to the gaming experience of Ultima Online and that the use of unauthorized 3rd party programs is a violation of the terms of service. Macroing can mean a number of different things, but it is the unattended macroing that we are most concerned with, not usage of the in-game macros. Unattended macroing means being away from your UO session while your character repeats a series of actions for any length of time. Any macro that repeats is potentially unattended. Some players use macroing programs to aid them in repetitive tasks within the game, and, although it may seem as if these programs are benevolent time savers, when used in an unattended or repeating manner, ***these programs actually create problems within the game.*** Many people who play UO are not willing to pay for these programs to assist in character development, nor do they feel comfortable playing in a world where such tools are available to others. They simply wish to play in the environment they feel Ultima Online should be. We tend to agree with those players.
Players found to be engaged in unattended macroing will be kicked from the game and a note will be placed on their account. Being kicked means that your connection to UO will be terminated. This is not a banning; it is simply that we are dropping your connection while you are not present in the game. Players who consistently violate the terms of service by using 3rd party programs to perform unattended macroing may have their account banned on a temporary or permanent basis. Players should only call a GM to report others performing unattended macroing when it is interfering with their gaming experience."
Why aren't we implementing this for UOSA???
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:45 pm
by Neoptolemos
Duke Jones wrote:
Why aren't we implementing this for UOSA???
Because you and a handful of other people are the only ones who want it and are extremely vocal about it.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:51 am
by Zorce
Many people who play UO are not willing to pay for these programs to assist in character development, nor do they feel comfortable playing in a world where such tools are available to others. They simply wish to play in the environment they feel Ultima Online should be. We tend to agree with those players.
Yet they approved and allowed UOAssist?
they contradicted them selves here, therefore making it impossible to know which is right and which is wrong.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:01 am
by Derrick
They approved UOAssist after removing some features such as looping; however UOALoop became available immediately, so the net effect on player behaviour was minimal.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:22 am
by Hemperor
I haven't really seen a single reply in opposition to this that brings a good point to the table, they all basically directly or indirectly say this:
"its 2009, i'm lazy, i have a full time job these days. i SHOULD be able to press play, go to work, come back and have everything ever possible done in UO plus 300k ingots"
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:23 am
by Hemperor
Here's another fun one, noticed how EVERYONE and their mother has a tamer within the past 3 months? It used to be a rare and valuable template, as it was in the era...
However with Razor you can even macro taming ALL the way to GM! Disabling the special targets fixes this, but oh damn it's 2009 I believe everyone should have a tamer, it's fair that way.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:09 pm
by Akanigit
I just noticed you can download the older version of uoassist, well I think you can anyway.
http://web.archive.org/web/199910121119 ... Assist.htm
I haven't really seen a single reply in opposition to this that brings a good point to the table, they all basically directly or indirectly say this:
"its 2009, i'm lazy, i have a full time job these days. i SHOULD be able to press play, go to work, come back and have everything ever possible done in UO plus 300k ingots"
I totally agree, it reminds of people who want to use this
http://www.mmoglider.com/. People said they did not have the time to choose between grinding and raiding. Hell I have school,a job and a girlfriend. I still had time to grind away on that poor excuse for an mmo.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:19 pm
by Derrick
Hemperor wrote:Here's another fun one, noticed how EVERYONE and their mother has a tamer within the past 3 months? It used to be a rare and valuable template, as it was in the era...
However with Razor you can even macro taming ALL the way to GM! Disabling the special targets fixes this, but oh damn it's 2009 I believe everyone should have a tamer, it's fair that way.
There are less than 60 GM tamers on the shard, and there are over 6500 with GM Anat, or GM Eval. And there are something like 24k accounts.
This is nothing short of disinformation.
http://my.uosecondage.com/SkillDist.aspx
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:24 pm
by Hemperor
Derrick wrote:Hemperor wrote:Here's another fun one, noticed how EVERYONE and their mother has a tamer within the past 3 months? It used to be a rare and valuable template, as it was in the era...
However with Razor you can even macro taming ALL the way to GM! Disabling the special targets fixes this, but oh damn it's 2009 I believe everyone should have a tamer, it's fair that way.
There are less than 60 GM tamers on the shard, and there are over 6500 with GM Anat, or GM Eval. And there are something like 24k accounts.
This is nothing short of disinformation.
http://my.uosecondage.com/SkillDist.aspx
Sorry, let me clearer. GM Taming isn't needed to make 120k an hour at nearly no risk. 95+ will do, is there any way of seeing the amount of 95+ tamers? I guarantee it has multiplied many times since everyone discovered how to macro them.
No joke you can macro them AFK now.
EDIT: Infact, that sort of provides another point, not to pick on you derrick but... Whenever you mention a template or say you have one or someone else does on UOSA, we automatically assume it's GM... because it is.
If anything that chart is misleading information, a 99 tamer is no weaker than a GM tamer..many know this. The players themselves know how many tamers have been made recently, they are literally everywhere.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:35 pm
by Apok
1) razor makes a 10 yr old game playable.
2) It helps in charecter development.
3) it helps with the speed of certain actions like restocking ect.
4) it doesnt change game mechanics. I.E all those macros are availbe in game.
5) filters are nice. I hate cat and dog sounds!!
6) Razor is good
7) limit razor funtions and people would just use another programe.
Personaly, and iam sure alot of people would not play here is they didnt have a little something to help them build there charecters.
9) well if your a little younger and dont have a real job. Gf or study well then i guess playing 20 hours a day is possible.
10) razor is good
11) ummm razor is good.
yup
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:39 pm
by Hemperor
1) razor makes a 10 yr old game playable.
2) It helps in charecter development.
3) it helps with the speed of certain actions like restocking ect.
4) it doesnt change game mechanics. I.E all those macros are availbe in game.
5) filters are nice. I hate cat and dog sounds!!
6) Razor is good
7) limit razor funtions and people would just use another programe.
Personaly, and iam sure alot of people would not play here is they didnt have a little something to help them build there charecters.
9) well if your a little younger and dont have a real job. Gf or study well then i guess playing 20 hours a day is possible.
10) razor is good
11) ummm razor is good.
yup
That's a hilarious post, although I won't pick on you..it really just makes what everyone else is saying far more obvious.
Razor doesn't change the mechanics of the game...however the reasons you stated for liking it are:
You like to save time restocking instantly with it (although not being proposed for removal)
You can make a 7x character simply by pressing play
If you have a GF or a job you can play the game while not actually playing it, live two lives at once. This essentially allows you to play 24/7.
People wouldn't play a shard that claims accuracy if it wasn't made very easy through Razor and involved next to no effort.
Extremely contradictory in my opinion. These aren't exaggerations, if I am lying or misquoting you here, please feel free to explain and challenge me on it.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:39 pm
by Akanigit
Derrick wrote:Hemperor wrote:Here's another fun one, noticed how EVERYONE and their mother has a tamer within the past 3 months? It used to be a rare and valuable template, as it was in the era...
However with Razor you can even macro taming ALL the way to GM! Disabling the special targets fixes this, but oh damn it's 2009 I believe everyone should have a tamer, it's fair that way.
There are less than 60 GM tamers on the shard, and there are over 6500 with GM Anat, or GM Eval. And there are something like 24k accounts.
This is nothing short of disinformation.
http://my.uosecondage.com/SkillDist.aspx
I would venture to guess that out of 500 online at peak it seems like half that are actually at the keyboard doing things. I would also guess that if you pvp or dungeon crawl you would run into less of that population. So lets say 250 people are running around the world, and 30 of those are GM tamers with packs of dragons etc. I imagine it would seem like a ton of players are tamers, I know I've noticed. It also seems like everybody has a blacksmith {Online players: 394=Blacksmithy245} I know that's not the case though since some of those are not active. Don't shoot me with your godfingers Derrick I sacrificed a goat at the counselors hall today so as to please you.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:32 pm
by Sentinel
Duke Jones wrote:
Why aren't we implementing this for UOSA???
http://www.uosecondage.com/faq.aspx
Second Age is set in the T2A era of UO. These were very dangerous times in the land of Britannia; as such, citizens who wander outside the protection of the guards do so at their own risk. Know how to protect yourself for you will be out of the reach of Lord British's assistance. Please make your way to other sections of this site such as Information/Features, T2A WIKI, and the Forum for more information.
*There is a three account limit on Second Age.
*House decay is 14 days.
*Boat Decay is 14 days.
*Reasonable character names are encouraged but not required.
*All characters on Second Age may own one house, this is effectivly a 15 house limit.
*We allow unattended macroing with Razor (Download Here)
Maybe you should have chosen Divinity or some other freeshard if this bothered you so much. FAQs are meant to be read
Let's leave this dead horse alone now, shall we? I can understand wanting to remove features such as the Light Filter but complaining about a feature on a freeshard that you joined up of your own free will is kind of childish.
Re: Discussion: Limiting Razor for era accuracy
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:37 pm
by Mikel123
Hemperor wrote:GM Taming isn't needed to make 120k an hour
Nitpick... but you can't make 120k per hour with taming unless you're pulling some UNREAL weapons. Not even close.
Factoring in banking, time to tame dragons, dying and losing dragons, etc, I'd estimate 50-65k per hour, assuming you have a very good vendor and can sell everything of value you pull, from vanq hally's all the way down to fireball wands.