Boat Mining *POLL*

[Lord Cavewight of GL]

i can see how boats blocking town Docks could inhibit RP guilds from doing any Role Playing, Using boats to get around rather than magic.

Sorry man but you come up with the worst reasons to change these things.

Personally I cant really see any reason that boats in use should be moved. There is no such thing as a boat not being used as those boats tend to slip into the sea.

[DarkWing]

There is no such thing as a boat not being used as those boats tend to slip into the sea.

what exactly are you trying to say here? who was your Grammer Teacher?

[Zane]

There is no such thing as a boat not being used as those boats tend to slip into the sea.

what exactly are you trying to say here? who was your Grammer Teacher?

Who was your spelling teacher?


Anyway, what he's saying is those boats would not be refreshed and therefore would decay.

[DarkWing]

There is no such thing as a boat not being used as those boats tend to slip into the sea.

what exactly are you trying to say here? who was your Grammer Teacher?

Who was your spelling teacher?


Anyway, what he's saying is those boats would not be refreshed and therefore would decay.

I lurn spel from reedin chumbucit post .... leest you can undurstand wht i r saying

[archaicsubrosa77]

There was a concern about houseing on boats as fixed structures.
Dropping the anchor or comandeering the ship back to its spot is not a big deal especially if we have warnings of tides or currents that are about to take place say with the save warning or something.

[Duke Jones]

This is resorting to personal insult. Please try to keep on topic. Thanks.

I just think that boats are intended as moblile structures, not a reserve spot for resources.

Resources should have a fair use policy. People may compete/fight/kill over it. But when people park their boats, there is no hope of competing for that spot.

[Dagon]

Sure there is, camp the boat 24/7 and wait for the owner, pk them, and hope you can access their key, then steal their boat.

Problem solved. Player resolved.

[Duke Jones]

That's a good proposal but,

-Untill this happens, that boat is STILL blocking resources from being gathered.
-Only the foolish keep their boat key on their character.
-I would assume the boat owner in question would be standing on the side of the structure that is being mined. If they were to be killed, you still couldn't get to the corpse.

This isn't a fix. I really don't see any way players can stop this abuse.

Resources should be fair use!

[Hoots]

That's a good proposal but,

-Untill this happens, that boat is STILL blocking resources from being gathered.
-Only the foolish keep their boat key on their character.
-I would assume the boat owner in question would be standing on the side of the structure that is being mined. If they were to be killed, you still couldn't get to the corpse.

This isn't a fix. I really don't see any way players can stop this abuse.

Resources should be fair use!

Disagree (and im not a boat user/owner.)

1. As i mentioned before, OSI's policy on boats was only in regard to blocking off areas of the map (a bay or whole mountain) and did not address individually parked boats AFAIK.
2. Boats were houses for many many people on OSI. People who coulndt afford or find a place for housing lived off their boats... i doubt many of them moved.
3. There is no abuse here. The analogies to prime housing space are similar. First come, first serve. Sorry about your luck...
4. There is zero demand for colored ore AND IT IS IN MULTIPLE PLACES ON THE MAIN LAND. No one is depriving any type of game play here... To me it is the same complaint as XXXX is taming all the bulls in del and my taming gains are soooooo slow. It sounds like a non issue here bc the complaint simplifies down to "I cant mine ore as quick as someone else" So what? and again... there is no market for colored ore... see tons of post of people trading colors for iron straight up for crafting.
5. Player justice. Blades spirits plus reveal = death. Explo pots... kill someone enough and they will probably leave... but you have to put the time into it.

Resources are fair use. What do you do if the blood ele is camped? Or the mare spawn? Or the glow reag shop or your favorite patch of tress are freshly cut, or your prefered housing space is takend.... You either go somewhere else, make arrangements with the owner/player or deal with it using player justice. That is classic UO.

[Duke Jones]

You raise a valid point on many levels. Boats should serve as intermediate house structures. You're right. And when it comes to resources, again you're right; It's all about first come first serve.

But there's an issue with (mobile) structures that turns this to a grey area that I think needs to be further scrutinized one way or the other.

When I talk about "fair use" I mean that the resources should be freely contested for. Weather you negotiate a time-share, or you pk them for it, or you simply beat another player to it. That's all fine and accepted. Same goes for taming, lumber jacking, treasure hunting, etc. You got to it, it should be yours (but that spot can be contested by someone else, as well).

The difference is that a structure such as a boat circumvents the intent of contested resources. If you have a boat parked near a mountain. It's only mined by THAT boat owner (or friend if the key has shared access). And unlike taming, lumber jacking, etc, It will REMAIN unavailable regardless if the player is online or not. And as I stated, this circumvents the ability for that spot to be contested.

I guess I should at least provide you with a similar structure-related issue, right? That's only fair to back up my case.

I would like to submit that treasure chests are purposely designed to be dug up in areas where houses may not be placed. Why? So someone doesn't block this with their housing structure. This plan allows everyone a chance to get to that treasure. And just as every player has a right to contest a tmap spot, I would propose that every player has a right to contest over a resource spot.

Thank you.

[Zorce]

That's a good proposal but,

-Untill this happens, that boat is STILL blocking resources from being gathered.
-Only the foolish keep their boat key on their character.
-I would assume the boat owner in question would be standing on the side of the structure that is being mined. If they were to be killed, you still couldn't get to the corpse.

This isn't a fix. I really don't see any way players can stop this abuse.

Resources should be fair use!

Disagree (and im not a boat user/owner.)

1. As i mentioned before, OSI's policy on boats was only in regard to blocking off areas of the map (a bay or whole mountain) and did not address individually parked boats AFAIK.
2. Boats were houses for many many people on OSI. People who coulndt afford or find a place for housing lived off their boats... i doubt many of them moved.
3. There is no abuse here. The analogies to prime housing space are similar. First come, first serve. Sorry about your luck...
4. There is zero demand for colored ore AND IT IS IN MULTIPLE PLACES ON THE MAIN LAND. No one is depriving any type of game play here... To me it is the same complaint as XXXX is taming all the bulls in del and my taming gains are soooooo slow. It sounds like a non issue here bc the complaint simplifies down to "I cant mine ore as quick as someone else" So what? and again... there is no market for colored ore... see tons of post of people trading colors for iron straight up for crafting.
5. Player justice. Blades spirits plus reveal = death. Explo pots... kill someone enough and they will probably leave... but you have to put the time into it.

Resources are fair use. What do you do if the blood ele is camped? Or the mare spawn? Or the glow reag shop or your favorite patch of tress are freshly cut, or your prefered housing space is takend.... You either go somewhere else, make arrangements with the owner/player or deal with it using player justice. That is classic UO.

I couldn't have said it any better than this. I am not into mining alot yet and I don't have any mining spots camped and I totally agree. If I find a good spot I dont want it moved just because someone else wants to be there. And as for tides and currents, all I can say is lol and "anchor down" I am all for currents and tides to move boats with anchors up, it would be cool actually but moving a ship with an anchor down would be unrealistic.

[archaicsubrosa77]

I propose global tides moving any unanchored ship overtime, and disabling anchor use around resource areas. If you are mining a mountainside you better be online and not blocking resource.

Resources are fair use. What do you do if the blood ele is camped? Or the mare spawn? Or the glow reag shop or your favorite patch of tress are freshly cut, or your prefered housing space is takend.... You either go somewhere else, make arrangements with the owner/player or deal with it using player justice. That is classic UO.

Death of a player in camping a spawn will end the takeover. Killing a player blocking a resource has absolutely no effect on unblocking the resource.

[Duke Jones]

I propose global tides moving any unanchored ship overtime, and disabling anchor use around resource areas. If you are mining a mountainside you better be online and not blocking resource.

Resources are fair use. What do you do if the blood ele is camped? Or the mare spawn? Or the glow reag shop or your favorite patch of tress are freshly cut, or your prefered housing space is takend.... You either go somewhere else, make arrangements with the owner/player or deal with it using player justice. That is classic UO.

Death of a player in camping a spawn will end the takeover. Killing a player blocking a resource has absolutely no effect on unblocking the resource.

...But there's an issue with (mobile) structures that turns this to a grey area that I think needs to be further scrutinized one way or the other.

When I talk about "fair use" I mean that the resources should be freely contested for. Weather you negotiate a time-share, or you pk them for it, or you simply beat another player to it. That's all fine and accepted. Same goes for taming, lumber jacking, treasure hunting, etc. You got to it, it should be yours (but that spot can be contested by someone else, as well).

The difference is that a structure such as a boat circumvents the intent of contested resources. If you have a boat parked near a mountain. It's only mined by THAT boat owner (or friend if the key has shared access). And unlike taming, lumber jacking, etc, It will REMAIN unavailable regardless if the player is online or not. And as I stated, this circumvents the ability for that spot to be contested.

I think our posts are representing the best interest of the community as a whole.

If I find a good spot I dont want it moved just because someone else wants to be there.

This post is obviously showing that they could care less about the community as a whole and it's their own selfish greed that they are fighting for.

[Hoots]

The difference is that a structure such as a boat circumvents the intent of contested resources. If you have a boat parked near a mountain. It's only mined by THAT boat owner (or friend if the key has shared access). And unlike taming, lumber jacking, etc, It will REMAIN unavailable regardless if the player is online or not. And as I stated, this circumvents the ability for that spot to be contested.

Keep in mind... that the boat may be blocking the mountain at that location but in doing so he is not able to access the rest of the mountian. What do you get on a boat? 4-6 dig spots IIRC?

If someone is dropping boats all over the grid and recalling around mining ore i would see that as multiple boat abuse that would "loosely" fall under previous OSI policies on multiple boat blockings... But if it is one val or ver spot... really, just move on.

Again... There are many spots on the mainland to get the exact same colors and exact same amount of ore! 16 per dig right? the mountain doesnt change that. Boat mining with being able to drop a mostly secure stack of 1000 ore is a luxury... not a right!

No, its not treasure maps! your map can only be dug up at one spot... again, again again and AGAIN there are spaces on the mainland to get every color of ore you want! Why is this even an issue?

If we are talking era accuracy you should be happy you are even touching a mountain with your boat. North of minoc was 1 solid line of boats for as long as i could remember... And it was patrolled regularly by reds (pirates) on boats...

This is just something that low pop free shards have made people spolied about (IMHO)... mining here is million times easier than it was on OSI... Just like taming... Just be happy people!

[Zorce]

If I find a good spot I dont want it moved just because someone else wants to be there.

This post is obviously showing that they could care less about the community as a whole and it's their own selfish greed that they are fighting for.

Its not that at all. I just think its not right to have the staff move your ship just because someone else wants to mine there. The motto of the shard is "The way it was" not how we think it should be. Ships were never moved by staff for keeping them there.

How am I greedy? I dont have a ship there. I am just saying it is unrealistic to have to give up a spot just because another wants it.

I would have a different stance if there wasnt so many other places to mine. There are tons of places to mine and even ship mine other than the Minoc mountains. I played T2A and as I remember it, there were some alliances and some honor in things but most of the time it was dog eat dog and every man for him self.