4000g has gone.....

[Le Tigre]

I think established players in this shard need to step outsides themselves. It's really bad business to let crap like this go on a low pop player run shard with new people popping in to check it out every single day. First thing for most old UO players checking it out, they go to yew liches get grief-ed several times by the same groups of reds then finally when they get some gold to buy equipment they get ripped off at a gm modified vendor house right next to yew bank.

Seems like all you stoned ass losers without jobs living in parents basements buzzkilling peoples days for a few yucks....would welcome more newer players to grief. Get that buffalo population back up, so to speak.

[Jill Stihl]

Being PKed at Yew Liches is not being griefed. It's such a well known spot that you have no business going there unless you're prepared for reds or prepared to die.

It's a big old UO world out there.

[Delirious]

I kind of agree with both of you.

Yeah, it's a well-known spot for getting PKed, but the reds know the kind of people who would go there are newer and messing around.

I'm about a month old and I got my shit together. i got PKed in a moonglow newb house by Cid and the guy left a rune which was on my body (I went afk hidden on my porch) on my front steps with the inscription reading 'Apologies.' I can appreciate what it means; I took your boat key, got the boat, but i know you're a new player for living here and don't mean anything personal by it. It's all good. it is what it is and I enjoy it for being this way and not UO:R and beyond.

The reds can have a sense of ethics for those who need it. No one plays basket ball with a child and give it their all. You give them a challange but don't go all out. The same with the new players, I think.




Wow. I got really philosophical, there.

[chumbucket]

My attitude is that as long as nothing is personal and moved outside the game, then virtually anything is legit in Ultima Online. The reason for that is that players can, and should, mount resistance to problem causers. This scam house, for instance, could be (a) not shopped at, (b) CAPET BOMB'ed everyday, (c) surrounded by animals/ghosts alerting new players to the problem, and (d) subject to frequent call outs on the forums/IRC.

If the worry is that new players will be ran off, I think there are two solutions. First, we need someone, or some group of us, to make a concerted effort to draw in and retain new players. Second, we need not to cry too much over the ones that, after we undertake serious efforts to retain new players, leave because UO is full of danger, scams, thieves, GuardianKnights, etc.

That said, I've made clear to all [cA] members from the lowliest Pristiq to the puppetmaster Matron that we shouldn't be involved in this simply because we don't need the gold and it just isn't that funny (which is always what I care about the most). So, again, if anyone has any actual proof that cA members are involved, please let me know. Hearsay, speculation, and circumstantial evidence are not sufficient. I know we're not liked by a number of you, but still some honest and seriousness would be helpful here.

[Ahntara]

It's such a well known spot

Well known to who? Someone coming to this server from anther version certainly doesn't know.

I've read several times that everyone "ought" to know. But ppl don't, that is, until they learn the hard way. For some, the hard way is enough to discourage, grief and cause them to leave this server. I meet new players everyday who are glad to find a close-to-original version of UO. These same players are getting griefed, scammed, PK'd two tiles outside of town on their mules and told that they "should" know better.

[Jill Stihl]

It's such a well known spot

Well known to who? Someone coming to this server from anther version certainly doesn't know.

Then they wont be there, so wont be PKed there, innit.

If PKs start giving newbies at popular spots a break all I need to do is wear some bone armour, set up an "I'm new!!" macro and hunt away safely. That's no good for them and would become boring for me. The shard isn't safe, you just have to figure out how to deal with it.

[iamreallysquall]

I think established players in this shard need to step outsides themselves. It's really bad business to let crap like this go on a low pop player run shard with new people popping in to check it out every single day. First thing for most old UO players checking it out, they go to yew liches get grief-ed several times by the same groups of reds then finally when they get some gold to buy equipment they get ripped off at a gm modified vendor house right next to yew bank.

Seems like all you stoned ass losers without jobs living in parents basements buzzkilling peoples days for a few yucks....would welcome more newer players to grief. Get that buffalo population back up, so to speak.

These are the guidlines from the official manual. You are required to adhere to these rules and regulations while playing Ultima Online.


IV. Everyone is a pointless nancy-roleplayer who has no life, job, or significant-other, outside of the game.

V. You are the only exception to article IV.

VI. When a high value item is stolen or looted, you should not care. You have 100 more anyway and appreciate the fact that some no-name random is now putting your giant cache of said item to good use.

IX. How long it takes a player to return on their alternate character(s) after death, is directly improportional to the amount of clients they currently have ghosting Lich Lords.

X. Your latency is significantly higher than anyone else's. This puts you at a constant disadvantage. Immediately after dying to this disadvantage, you shall ask if anyone else is lagging in IRC.

XIV. Thieves, Tamers, and Dexers, are not viable templates. Any use is considered exploitative of what the developers originally intended.

XVI. If your security fails, and your place of residence is looted, you must change the house sign to "Storage Shack" followed by an immediate posting that details just how many homes you own. Bonus points are awarded for stating that the looted valuables were retrieved from the (many) corpses of the looter's guild. Document this with photographic evidence from several months ago.

XVIII. U R NEW, GLD PLZ.

i felt all these rules applied here in some way shape or form

[Ahntara]

It's such a well known spot

Well known to who? Someone coming to this server from anther version certainly doesn't know.

Then they wont be there, so wont be PKed there, innit.

If PKs start giving newbies at popular spots a break all I need to do is wear some bone armour, set up an "I'm new!!" macro and hunt away safely. That's no good for them and would become boring for me. The shard isn't safe, you just have to figure out how to deal with it.

You made my point. Era INaccurate. UOT2A wasn't all peril and danger. It appears that there is no place to hunt on this server. Dungeons are off-limits so are the good places outside of dungeons. There is no bank that can used, no mule working any crafting skill that won't get stolen from or PK'd a few tiles outside of town limits.

So what is a new player supposed to do to generate funds as they work skills and "figure it out"? I'd love to hear your answer.

[Jill Stihl]

You made my point. Era INaccurate. UOT2A wasn't all peril and danger. It appears that there is no place to hunt on this server. Dungeons are off-limits so are the good places outside of dungeons. There is no bank that can used, no mule working any crafting skill that won't get stolen from or PK'd a few tiles outside of town limits.

So what is a new player supposed to do to generate funds as they work skills and "figure it out"? I'd love to hear your answer.

I've never voluntarily PvP'ed anyone who wasn't AFK yet have made enough money here to do pretty much anything except major rare collecting. Not a boast but an example that it isn't too difficult really. Bowcraft is dull but earns good money, I did that for a few weeks - I'd advise Skara Brae island. Then I got a house in a remote area and ran a sheepfarm for a while. I've done a lot of fishing which is very safe and earns plenty of cash. All these things bring the funds (and security) to not be too bothered about being looted out on newbie fighting characters.

If you don't like those routes go to out of the way graveyards or up North-East of Yew, there's plenty of fairly safe spawn. Eg - I train my archers at a graveyard where I've hardly ever seen another player and have never been bothered.

What I didn't do was log in, spend a day at Brit GY then head for a dungeon


PS - Claiming no banks can be safely used is just daft. Due to server population there are banks here that see no visitors for hours. Try Magincia or Occlo.

[McSchnurke]

WHA? I think I'm playing on a different shard than you, Ahntara. We're gonna have to break up. I'm no good at long distance relationships.

[Ahntara]

You made my point. Era INaccurate. UOT2A wasn't all peril and danger. It appears that there is no place to hunt on this server. Dungeons are off-limits so are the good places outside of dungeons. There is no bank that can used, no mule working any crafting skill that won't get stolen from or PK'd a few tiles outside of town limits.

So what is a new player supposed to do to generate funds as they work skills and "figure it out"? I'd love to hear your answer.

I've never voluntarily PvP'ed anyone who wasn't AFK yet have made enough money here to do pretty much anything except major rare collecting. Not a boast but an example that it isn't too difficult really. Bowcraft is dull but earns good money, I did that for a few weeks - I'd advise Skara Brae island. Then I got a house in a remote area and ran a sheepfarm for a while. I've done a lot of fishing which is very safe and earns plenty of cash. All these things bring the funds (and security) to not be too bothered about being looted out on newbie fighting characters.

If you don't like those routes go to out of the way graveyards or up North-East of Yew, there's plenty of fairly safe spawn. Eg - I train my archers at a graveyard where I've hardly ever seen another player and have never been bothered.

What I didn't do was log in, spend a day at Brit GY then head for a dungeon


PS - Claiming no banks can be safely used is just daft. Due to server population there are banks here that see no visitors for hours. Try Magincia or Occlo.

So, I'm thinking most don't speak to new players, while I go out of my way to seek them out. One of my newbie friends, who had already been PK'd before I encountered him, took to bowcraft & carpentry cuz he was so freaked out about stepping out of town. He got PK'd by a blue two tiles (literally) out of limits in Skara - the very place you recommend.

Another got serious about crafting, (attempting to gather the funds needed to work on magery) never running a farm but foraging for wool, cotton and flax and got PK'd on Glow, supposedly the safest place for new ones on this server.

Yesterday at the abbey in Yew, I saw a half-dead obvious new player (no karma/fame title, wearing newbie clothes). She came into the game at Yew and had walked East looking for a spinning wheel and loom. Got PK'd out of town once, so she took up lumber/bowcraft - again your direct experience and recommendation. She was getting attacked when I came upon her. This is the 4th player within a few days who told me they came from Hybrid. I didn't even know what that was. So, obviously this server is getting checked out by UO vets looking for new lands. If you don't think these very ppl are getting griefed away, you're kidding yourselves.

These ppl want to play here. They want to PVP and fit in. They're targets at minutes old, supposed to know automatically where not to go and getting scammed out of the few funds they do manage to accumulate.

[Jill Stihl]

What can I add

About a year ago I was a noob here who hadn't played UO since 2001, and had never PvPed or even been in a dungeon more than half a dozen times back then (horrendously bad connection).
Yet I've managed to do OK here and I've posted (a condensed version of) how I did it.

I still don't get how a PK is supposed to recognise a genuine noob in the few seconds they get before seeing 'kal ort por'? Most bards for example look just like a noob character, some are far from it. And that's assuming PKs should give them a break, which I don't really believe they should.

Have fun whichever shard you end up on, but this is a great one

[iamreallysquall]

if your doing the bow crafting thing theirs plenty of towns with trees NOT outside of the town line. sounds to me like some terrible luck as well. in regards to occlo it has people very light traffic though depending on time of day but that can be said about just about any bank . thieves purple potters griefers pk's all dangerous elements of uo. I had 0 help from anyone starting out and i been here a long time, its actually one of the main reason i stayed here. if it was to easy lol here is a brick house and bunch of regs, i would of lost interest. oh and btw i have killed people in bone armor carrying like 10k -100k worth of valuables so make smarter choices in your habits. This Omg All dungeons are off limits is also rather comical as i am sure they are spots that never get pked at all as no one would even think to find anyone there. Oh and another thing i doubt dungeons are being pked 24/7 rotate spots travel light have a recall macro bank oh 1k -5k ( depending what you are killing )

[Delirious]

My attitude is that as long as nothing is personal and moved outside the game, then virtually anything is legit in Ultima Online. The reason for that is that players can, and should, mount resistance to problem causers. This scam house, for instance, could be (a) not shopped at, (b) CAPET BOMB'ed everyday, (c) surrounded by animals/ghosts alerting new players to the problem, and (d) subject to frequent call outs on the forums/IRC.

If the worry is that new players will be ran off, I think there are two solutions. First, we need someone, or some group of us, to make a concerted effort to draw in and retain new players. Second, we need not to cry too much over the ones that, after we undertake serious efforts to retain new players, leave because UO is full of danger, scams, thieves, GuardianKnights, etc.

That said, I've made clear to all [cA] members from the lowliest Pristiq to the puppetmaster Matron that we shouldn't be involved in this simply because we don't need the gold and it just isn't that funny (which is always what I care about the most). So, again, if anyone has any actual proof that cA members are involved, please let me know. Hearsay, speculation, and circumstantial evidence are not sufficient. I know we're not liked by a number of you, but still some honest and seriousness would be helpful here.

Much respect for that post. I have not had the pleasure of dealing with [cA] just yet, being a month old, but when my tamer gets PKed or petnapped by one of your associates, I'll hold back my urge to frown too much.

So what is a new player supposed to do to generate funds as they work skills and "figure it out"? I'd love to hear your answer.

pick cotton. 72 gold a pop if you make them into bolts with a good macro (each cotton is 6/5th of a bolt, each bolt is 60g). Buy a runebook and a spellbook, oh wait you can't because all the vendors have fake spellbooks :[, but when you do save enough to buy those, mark all the cotton spots, yes even in delucia (the cotton will pay for the regs to outside ice, inside ice, and delucia itself)

If being a tamer didn't pay better than picking cotton, i'd master it.

[Ahntara]

My attitude is that as long as nothing is personal and moved outside the game, then virtually anything is legit in Ultima Online. The reason for that is that players can, and should, mount resistance to problem causers. This scam house, for instance, could be (a) not shopped at, (b) CAPET BOMB'ed everyday, (c) surrounded by animals/ghosts alerting new players to the problem, and (d) subject to frequent call outs on the forums/IRC.

If the worry is that new players will be ran off, I think there are two solutions. First, we need someone, or some group of us, to make a concerted effort to draw in and retain new players. Second, we need not to cry too much over the ones that, after we undertake serious efforts to retain new players, leave because UO is full of danger, scams, thieves, GuardianKnights, etc.

That said, I've made clear to all [cA] members from the lowliest Pristiq to the puppetmaster Matron that we shouldn't be involved in this simply because we don't need the gold and it just isn't that funny (which is always what I care about the most). So, again, if anyone has any actual proof that cA members are involved, please let me know. Hearsay, speculation, and circumstantial evidence are not sufficient. I know we're not liked by a number of you, but still some honest and seriousness would be helpful here.

Much respect for that post. I have not had the pleasure of dealing with [cA] just yet, being a month old, but when my tamer gets PKed or petnapped by one of your associates, I'll hold back my urge to frown too much.

So what is a new player supposed to do to generate funds as they work skills and "figure it out"? I'd love to hear your answer.

pick cotton. 72 gold a pop if you make them into bolts with a good macro (each cotton is 6/5th of a bolt, each bolt is 60g). Buy a runebook and a spellbook, oh wait you can't because all the vendors have fake spellbooks :[, but when you do save enough to buy those, mark all the cotton spots, yes even in delucia (the cotton will pay for the regs to outside ice, inside ice, and delucia itself)

If being a tamer didn't pay better than picking cotton, i'd master it.

Thanks for that. I'm not just relating my own experiences. I'm set guys. I chimed in because I noticed a few calling attention to issue of running off new players from this server. Some that are coming here will not be run off, some will. The routes that some of you have taken are either not available or not desirable to every one coming into the game. Just because you found your way into a niche here and feel comfortable doesn't mean that everyone who creates a new char will. This isn't an issue for some shards, but I've been led to believe that it is here. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Someone coming here itching to PVP is not gonna be happy picking cotton until they can fund a mage. Someone willing to craft is not likely to turn into the opponent you're hoping to face.