UO Second Age

I like the small charges.. keeps the items a little more "rare" which is infact accurate from a certian standpoint..
Using Faust's example: We don't have christmas tickets giving us CBD's just to keep them rare, we don't have Itemblessdeeds as a reward option for the system etc..
This is a small way to help regulate the economy and keep prices up, I feel.
Many vendors out there make money selling true black clothing.. brings people out of guards, spend money, etc. If EVERYONE had an unlimited black dye tub then half the cloth on the server would be black: including newbie clothes which would lead to less vendor action, less actual spending, which could eventually lead to people farming for money etc. and never using it.. [like OSI]
I don't remember seeing black clothes EVERYWHERE, just as I definately don't remember seeing everyone with neon hair (thanks to cleanup)..
I think you should enjoy the game we have, this is such a small discrepency and is so "trammy" in nature I don't feel like it would be a good change.. at all.

No offense to what you said platy, but the focus of this server is T2A accuracy, not Accuracy with a twist. Thats what most of the people fighting the charges are looking at when it comes to this suggestion and arguement.

Not everything OSI did was good [a lot of which was terrible], but terrible things are accurate during this era, and if the plan is to make it accurate, terrible things need to be added then. If the goal is to be T2A accurate without doing the terrible things OSI did, well then certain things need to be relooked at.

Rarity won't change on these items. Clean up Britannia is only supposed to last 2 weeks. In a few months, lets say the shard doubles in size ... the other 200+ new players won't have neon hair, won't have black tubs, won't have furniture dye tubs ... Rarity is restored. If the server doesn't grow at all [which I don't see happening], it will be the way it is now.

So, we all want era accuracy is it?

I want item bless deeds on the clean-up act, it's era accurate, thanks!

alatar wrote:So, we all want era accuracy is it?

I want item bless deeds on the clean-up act, it's era accurate, thanks!

Start another thread for this, thanks!

See, you guys don't even stop to think about the big picture, instead you just blast off with this ERA ACCURACY!! bullshit. You want it to be 100% accurate, then make it unlimited charges, but im gettin that item bless deed.

Your pick. :/

Exactly alatar..
Obviously this was implemented for a reason: regulation.
I think you guys are looking into it too much: Black dye tubs are era accurate.. we have them.
I'm not 100% against it, but I DO understand, and agree with, why it was implemented..
Maybe it's because I've been here since when NOBODY had a black dye tub.. but dying 60000 black cloth isn't that big a deal.. and should give you all the black clothes you want/need for your UOSA career..

I still have black cloth from way way back when Dupre (the White Mantle) got the first black dye tub and dyed an entire stack.. Don't really see the problem here, except that people now want an entire blessed &/or newbied suit of black.

simple solution to keep black dye tubs rare.... remove it from the trophy system..

Clearly ALOT of people don't understand economics.

Black Dye Tubs
Really, they aren't that special, although this is personal preferance. Get 5000 bolts of cloth, dye them. 1 Charge, arguably unlimited clothing. No need for an unlimited use one, it blows the shards economy up. Era accuracy shouldnt be argued.

Furny Dye Tubs[/color

This stuff is beyond annoying, and part of what made EA+OSI crash is adding wayy too much shit in game.
Why is the accuracy being argued on this? Because you want a house that looks like candy land? I'm confused, it doesn't even affect gameplay.


This is a SMALL SHARD. You can't replicate the thousands of players that were on it so if 25 people had a black dye tub, theres 975 without it. It's still rare. You have to take into account population, this is why alot of rares aren't daily, because if this shard is a year old, and a fruti basket spawned every day, theres 365 fruit baskets. They are no longer rare. The exceptions need to be made to suit this and KEEP things RARE... you guys arguing this did you see this? KEEP THINGS RARE, KEEP ECONOMY WORKING

*** the only smart point i've notived thus far was alatar and the neon hair.. takes too little tickets, too many people have it, it's barely even rare anymore. A bump in the tickets for items would have fixed this since era accurate, farming tickets was a BITCH, so mirage, if you're arguing accuracy about that, how about we go to where getting a piece of pheonix armor would take somebody probobly the entire length of the system in place. Yeeshe.

Flash, you've said the same thing that everyone against it has said. When it comes down to it regardless of any arguement that anyone can make here ...

This shard strives to be T2A accurate, as close as it can be. The suggestion by the OP is along those guidelines with what OSI did in the real game that you had to pay for to play. Unlimited charges are Game accurate, not just era accurate.

Why is the accuracy being argued on this? Because you want a house that looks like candy land? I'm confused, it doesn't even affect gameplay.

KEEP THINGS RARE, KEEP ECONOMY WORKING

If it doesn't affect gameplay, why are you arguing about keeping rares rare. TBH, Furniture dye tub and Black tub were never considered a rare in UO. The Black tub was given away multiple times on christmas as well as a vet reward [first year I believe]. Furniture Dye Tub came out during this same event [Clean up Britannia] and was also given as a vet reward a little later down the road.

What someone does with the dye tub is their own business when they get it, if they get it. I will guarantee you that not every house will look like some house full of abstract art. And even if it does, giving players the option is Era Accurate.

I haven't seen 1 arguement in here that was for keeping the charges on the items that goes with the way this shard wants to be run. All it is is people that don't want their 60k black cloth to go to waste, or someone scared of seeing possible bright colors.

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The Ticket System Oct 15 1999 12:02PM CST

* For the next two weeks, all trash barrels in Britannia will now be ticket barrels. Newly placed barrels will also be ticket barrels. To place a ticket barrel in your house, you can say the words, "I wish to place a trash barrel". We have also placed bright purple colored ticket barrels in the following locations on each shard: ....

Small Ticket Items

* Hair Dyes - These hair dyes of unusual color will allow you to permanently change your hair color. One use only. (10,000 tickets)
* Facial Hair Dyes - These hair dyes of unusual color will allow you to permanently change your facial hair color only. One use only. (10,000 tickets)

# Furniture Dye Tub- These dye tubs will allow you to partially change the color of certain furniture such as chairs and tables. You can change the hue of the tub with regular dyes. The tub has unlimited uses. (100,000 tickets)
# Phoenix Armor - A random piece of red ring armor. As these pieces are random, it is possible to be awarded a duplicate prize. (100,000 - tickets)

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I don't see how anyone can argue vs patch notes.

Ok, i read this entire thread as it is better than doing work.

Jaster, i see you arguing the same point... Era Accuracy. Faust and others have listed tons of reasons why it cant be 100% (aka, item bless deeds and unattended macroing as 2 complete deal breakers)

I know it is hard to read faust's replies on this as he is constantly 100% about era accuracy and is doing a little floundering here... but i think the big picture is WHAT IS BEST FOR THE SHARD.

At some point you have to put your faith in the admin's that they are making decisions based on 2 important things. Era accuracy and what is best for the shard.

I agree tubs were not rare in era... by any means. I can remember the exact spot of a public house in moonglow with one of every tub locked down.

So the question is what changes if unlimited tubs (black included) were available for rewards.

1. the 3-4-5 people with tubs wouldnt be able to sell cloth anymore. (who cares?) you are talking less than 5-10 people (i would guess) who have made sick profit up to this point? All good things...
2. Everyone would be wearing true black.... until everyone was wearing true black... who cares.. the exact same thing happend on OSI... black was cool until everyone was wearing it... then you saw people and guilds come out in their OWN colors..
3. You could have colored furniture, colored leather... Umm, who cares? all it would add is a little variety.

there are 200 people on this shard... not everyone could get every reward... i doubt people would make the tubs public... so you would create a NEW economy for colored items why other econmoys had to adapt.

And the biggest point is non of it is unbalancing...

So in the end Jaster, I see where you are coming from... Certain markets are created with tourney points that are only available to a certain group of players which is not era accurate... But era accuracy is ignored (that may be too strong of a word) when rewards are implimented which would have made similar markets available to all players...

You shouldnt have the hand/eye of a college kid, 8 hours a day of screen time and every macro and script possible at your finger tips to enjoy rewards... =)

In the end, i dont really care... Would i like some colored kegs, sure. Would colored leather be neato to wear, yeah, do i like paying for black cloth, nope... does any of the above really bother that much at all... nah.

I think it is unreal that on a "free shard" we have a staff that takes the time to put a reward system in... im not going to tear it down.

leave as is - its not worth the admin effort to change it

Jaster wrote:Flash, you've said the same thing that everyone against it has said. When it comes down to it regardless of any arguement that anyone can make here ...

This shard strives to be T2A accurate, as close as it can be. The suggestion by the OP is along those guidelines with what OSI did in the real game that you had to pay for to play. Unlimited charges are Game accurate, not just era accurate.

Why is the accuracy being argued on this? Because you want a house that looks like candy land? I'm confused, it doesn't even affect gameplay.

KEEP THINGS RARE, KEEP ECONOMY WORKING

If it doesn't affect gameplay, why are you arguing about keeping rares rare. TBH, Furniture dye tub and Black tub were never considered a rare in UO. The Black tub was given away multiple times on christmas as well as a vet reward [first year I believe]. Furniture Dye Tub came out during this same event [Clean up Britannia] and was also given as a vet reward a little later down the road.

What someone does with the dye tub is their own business when they get it, if they get it. I will guarantee you that not every house will look like some house full of abstract art. And even if it does, giving players the option is Era Accurate.

I haven't seen 1 arguement in here that was for keeping the charges on the items that goes with the way this shard wants to be run. All it is is people that don't want their 60k black cloth to go to waste, or someone scared of seeing possible bright colors.

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The Ticket System Oct 15 1999 12:02PM CST

* For the next two weeks, all trash barrels in Britannia will now be ticket barrels. Newly placed barrels will also be ticket barrels. To place a ticket barrel in your house, you can say the words, "I wish to place a trash barrel". We have also placed bright purple colored ticket barrels in the following locations on each shard: ....

Small Ticket Items

* Hair Dyes - These hair dyes of unusual color will allow you to permanently change your hair color. One use only. (10,000 tickets)
* Facial Hair Dyes - These hair dyes of unusual color will allow you to permanently change your facial hair color only. One use only. (10,000 tickets)

# Furniture Dye Tub- These dye tubs will allow you to partially change the color of certain furniture such as chairs and tables. You can change the hue of the tub with regular dyes. The tub has unlimited uses. (100,000 tickets)
# Phoenix Armor - A random piece of red ring armor. As these pieces are random, it is possible to be awarded a duplicate prize. (100,000 - tickets)

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I don't see how anyone can argue vs patch notes.

Why did you leave out the item bless deed....?

Hmm?

I left out the Item Bless Deed because it was said that it would not be put in the server. It is one thing to leave something out. It is another to add something in and edit the way it was.

Jaster wrote:I left out the Item Bless Deed because it was said that it would not be put in the server. It is one thing to leave something out. It is another to add something in and edit the way it was.

Lol. You guys were talking about picking & choosing? If it's going to be 100% accurate then them item bless deeds are definatly coming. Can't wait to use my 25/vanq blessed long spear.