UO Second Age

Chad- wrote:All these other guilds have duel arenas and they never host tourneys..why do they have duel arenas and we cant?

I would say that it's likely because the most notable thing the've done isn't cry for an entire morning and beg for a keep deed after stating they were deleting their characters, which apparently you didn't. So you lied to the community again.

You guys have little or no redeeming qualities to pull people to actually want to give you anything other than a hard time on the forums and you have no one to blame but yourselves.

Noxmonk I don't really think any of our guild are aware of who your chars are or had any sort of interaction with you so your views seem to be completely bias and I ask other readers not to take other peoples opinions into account but just look at the facts of the matter.

You need to build your town and host events BEFORE you get help from the GMs. Prove that you're here to stay, that the town will remain, that it will be used for events and that those events actually benefit the shard.

farnk wrote:
So you're saying that we aren't promoting "positively" ? What has -F- brought? PvP and shittalk. That is a big part of the game bro. A big positive tbh.
kthxbai

Farnk, if there was anyone's opinion I would listen to here it would be mine, my guild has received numerous town add-ons and its current poll for the recent aditions is at 40 to 5 in our favor, and we are looked at very positively in the community and host weekly/bi-weekly events when ever we can/have ideas for them, we help the community and encourage players to use our town, which with decorated houses, vendors, rune librarys & new player guides is a pretty booming place!

I digress, while the "pvp" population might feel shittalking, pking, greifing, and the sorts is a positve aspect of Ultima Online the other 80% of the shard obviously does not, the fact that your entire guild with the seeming exeption of CHAD- is either not willing or just lack the literary skills to hold a decent discussion on this topic, using racial slurs and in your face debate tactics which are obviously not winning over the UOSA population anytime soon.

SO I will offer my services FREE of charage as I enjoy seeing community growth.


How to Fast Track your guild town in 30 days or less

Step 1. Host weekly events with ample prize structure
Step 2. Host Public Resist sessions
Step 3. Provide your service as "greif" protectors for Other player Run events
Step 4. Encourage players to come to your town, place some vendors, training houses, let new PvP players use your town to macro characters and give your protection

Step 5. Ask the UOSA population for town add-ons, post photos of your events & proof you have been aiding with player run events, give dates and examples of tournaments you have held and dates for upcoming events.



YOU WILL NOT get any player town add-ons from the shard if your guild has NEVER hosted an event before, this is fact, promises of hosting events and more comminity interaction after you have recieved your town add-ons will not go over well with the population, players would rather reward you for your hard worth rather then give you rewards in hopes that you work hard.


-Wise

Wise what you don't understand is that we are a pvp guild and therefore have rivalries (they're what actually make the game interesting to pvpers) and so we're always gonna have an upward slope when it comes to gaining community favour.


Compare our guilds;


yours is a an objective crafter guild with little enemies and support from the playerbase for providing a service and therefore it's rather easy to have people "on your side" etc now where this comes into effect is the fact if the community is behind you hosting events will be a breeze. the addons you asked for where ofcourse purely beneficial to your playstyle of crafters, a dock etc (Fishing idk but it helps slightly) the addons for your guild are obviously to show that you're friendly and established here etc etc a sort of show to all of the playerbase what your guild is about.


Our guild is a headstrong pvp guild who view our opinions on boards and play for fun, to fuck about create rivalries and generally incite people against us all in the fun of the game. Therefore leading us to not have too much support from the community and intern making it harder to run events. Now what we're asking for as a PvP guild is one item that we feel could benefit not just our guild but the whole server. Many people will probably agree with me when i say that -F- Keep and our prior placement by the orcs we became a sort of hotspot for pvp (which tbh does benefit the community and wasn't completely us) And now we're asking for a duel pit as we feel we'd like some sort of official sign to players that if you come to our town you will find pvp which is what we're trying to show our guild is about.

as for this talk of quitting im sure it was just a rash mistake by Finnesse and he regrets it now other then that I have nothing to add although I will answer any questions you have.



Ofcourse I'm speaking purely from my perspective of things im unaware of what everyone else in the guild thinks.

I've given this issue alot of thought lately, mainly because I will admit I was personally a little annoyed when I first read Mahees' report on what it would now require for Town Addons. Despite the fact that Turtle Bay did get an amazing Arena, we got it under the old rules, and other than the fact that a GM had to make a judgement call, and then physically come build it, I thought the system worked very well as it was. I believe Derrick saw the grass field that was Turtle Bay before Shawn and Eulogy got there, and got to actually watch it grow over the course of months. He saw the vendors being added, the houses being placed, and then as anyone might have witnessed at least while I was still active, the amount of traffic driven in by PvP. The arena certainly didn't create the town, but the town created a reason for the arena.

Now I know that the old system wasn't perfect. There is definitely a need for an ad-don throttle in game, but this Popularity Contest can't possibly be the answer. Ultima Online was never, ever about everyone being nice and popular, and I believe the game's popularity was built as much on the backs of the villians as the good guys.

-F- is a guild of pvpers, period. They entertain the concept of the PVM and Social spheres of this game in as much as it aids them in owning someone. The fact that people do hate them is the clearest indication to me that they are good at it, and I think if Dragon's and Evil Mages could talk, they probably would've voted against my Provodexxer ever seeing any town addons too. Maybe they don't deserve this dueling pit, but I haven't seen much more than personal attacks in this thread as to why not, and while it may be simple for a Social Guru like Wise to throw events and have everyone build a Statue of how great he is in Wisetown, Moonglow , for pvpers you basically have to become some sort of defanged apologist just to play the game the way you play, and have people not hate your guts.

So even though I'm doing it for a bigger reason than -F-, and I don't even actively play at the moment, I'm voting yes, give them the Dueling Pit.

Markmosthandsome wrote: Our guild is a headstrong pvp guild who view our opinions on boards and play for fun, to fuck about create rivalries and generally incite people against us all in the fun of the game. Therefore leading us to not have too much support from the community and intern making it harder to run events. Now what we're asking for as a PvP guild is one item that we feel could benefit not just our guild but the whole server. Many people will probably agree with me when i say that -F- Keep and our prior placement by the orcs we became a sort of hotspot for pvp (which tbh does benefit the community and wasn't completely us) And now we're asking for a duel pit as we feel we'd like some sort of official sign to players that if you come to our town you will find pvp which is what we're trying to show our guild is about.

as for this talk of quitting im sure it was just a rash mistake by Finnesse and he regrets it now other then that I have nothing to add although I will answer any questions you have.

Ofcourse I'm speaking purely from my perspective of things im unaware of what everyone else in the guild thinks.

As I stated before there's a way to become an absolute PvP force and be hated in-game yet appreciated by the community. I ran with J-D on Chessy which was one of the biggest PK guilds ever in UO. We had murders in the 4,000 kills range before 1999. Nearly everyone without except hated J-D and the warstone JdD on Chesapeake but we were appreciated by the community because we had a very charismatic leader in Alice Cooper. You can have an entire shard against you in-game without being a total douchebag spewing random nonsense and mindless drivel all over the forums. There's a way to be a villain without being a complete tool, and there's the way you guys have chosen for yourselves thus far.

Markmosthandsome: Indeed our guilds are different, and we have different styles or play & motives but the community involvement should be the same, did you read my 5 steps to a guild town? if you followed those steps and spent 1 month doing so I guarantee you would get voted to get a town add-on. everything I outlines is pvp oriented, and looked positively in the community, you can still have your rivalry's and wars and be looked up to as a guild,

Case and point cA guild, they are a guild of Theifs and snoopers, house looters and griefers, yet as a whole they are looked to as a positive guild in the community, they host events related to their professions, they set the bar as far as tales of adventure and as an over all whole are good folks, they choose to play the game in that manor, which is what Ultima is about.


Here is where I think you, and even senses have misinterpreted what is deserving of these add-ons, I recall when they were making these changes that one of the staff noted that it will now be increasingly harder to get town add-ons simply because you are asking the community for them, especially for guilds like cA and -F-. is indeed a popularity contest. Players and guilds should not and will not be rewarded for simply "playing" the game, I ask what has -F- done for the COMMUNITY

This is what I can say about -F-
1. they are good PvPers
2. they have a strong and active guild base
3. they have many enimies and are known throughout secondage, (mostly due to negative reasons, -having a keep stolen, quiting, coming back, failing to get a town add on, failing to get a town add on, failing to get a town add on, general trash talk- )

Now while these might be things that get your guild recognised, and even active in the community, it does not get your guild a positive reputation, which is what the towns are about.

Guild Towns ARE NOT a reward to the guild for their hard work, its a reward to the community for your Guilds hard work.

so it's basically a popularity contest whoever can suck up to the most people... no thanks

Senses wrote: Now I know that the old system wasn't perfect. There is definitely a need for an ad-don throttle in game, but this Popularity Contest can't possibly be the answer. Ultima Online was never, ever about everyone being nice and popular, and I believe the game's popularity was built as much on the backs of the villians as the good guys.


So even though I'm doing it for a bigger reason than -F-, and I don't even actively play at the moment, I'm voting yes, give them the Dueling Pit.

Finally someone who gets it. Come play again, this shard needs more people like you. I fight all the time and die to players or kill them and I don't hold any grudges against anyone I fight. Yes it is aggravating to die or to lose a horse, but this is why this era is the best. You stand to lose a lot. All fellow PvPers or PvMers even should not hate our guild for these reasons. This add-on in no way will be negative to the shard. I will deed my house and get the resources to build it and it will give me the ability and other players to run safe and quality pvp events.

My vote still stands as no, regardless of what Senses says. I have no hate towards -F-, I rather enjoy them as I love to argue, and pick apart every sentence. What people are not seeing is that ANOTHER Duel pit will not benefit us(shard) at all. Theres plenty of other duel pits that are around that you can use to host events and what not. You don't get the addon before you contribute to the shard.

You also realize creating a "grief proof" arena, takes away from the game as well. Griefing is a part of the game, TG loves to do it because they hate organized PvP events. To try and do something like this, is like asking the dungeon crawls to be hosted within guard zones.

I'm with Nox, if you wanted rivalries you didn't have to make complete idiots out of yourself. Look at TG, they don't(usually) come to the forums and talk alot of completely useless boring trash talk, but yet.. most/all guilds still hate them and want to tear them apart, but enjoy there pvp.

Use an existing arena, host events there. Get everyone excited about it (it isnt hard) continue to do things that benefit the shard, then sit back and relax as your addons get built. Don't expect things like this to happen overnight, over a week, over a month, of playtime on the shard. All the guilds which have add ons, worked hard for them over a period of time, and when they got the add ons it was because the GM's Approved of and felt as if they deserved them.

Senses, I don't really see a problem with players having a decision in the matter, every add-on effects the gameplay of others, if a guild cannot get the support of the community behind them, then they don't really "deserve" addons.

I know, I repeated myself alot and I talked alot of randomness, I'm buzzed, leave me alone.

-f- disbanded no comment.

Didn't bother reading any of the replies because you guys have made it rather apparent that you are the biggest cry baby guild to ever grace this godly game, and since the incident have completely lied about it.

Voted no.

ps that is an inaccurate retarded duel pit idea anyways

Hemp the duel pit is in the oldest player run town on lake superior. Btw what have done wrong to you ? Kill you once or something? not that big of a deal. get over it