UO Second Age

Economy plays a big factor though, because people used to farm to buy more trophies.

More important than farming gold to buy trophys is people logging in 3 accounts and farming the games directly for trophys.
Which has been completely eliminated.

Many times you would see a player having one toon afk on each team while they are out farming gold on their third character.

Admin just doesnt have the time to monitor this and it ruins the game.

Making the quality of the game simply needs to be sacrificed

BlackFoot wrote:More important than farming gold to buy trophys is people logging in 3 accounts and farming the games directly for trophys.
Which has been completely eliminated.

Many times you would see a player having one toon afk on each team while they are out farming gold on their third character.

Admin just doesnt have the time to monitor this and it ruins the game.

Making the quality of the game simply needs to be sacrificed

Nothing personal but how would you know that someone would be on each team and out farming on a third? It sounds like people are just assuming a lot of things, I know every single person in my guild has never done any of this. Have any of me, my current guildmates, or previous guildmates been afk? Most likely. I know I have been quite a few times because I walked away from the computer and had forgotten that I entered the CTF. Instead of taking the fun away from everyone, why didn't ALL these people crying about afk RPV people afking and report it to derrick or on the forums. I'm sure Derrick would agree with me that there ARE definately ways around afking and multiclienting in events.

Not assuming, I have experienced more ctfs than most people will. I have spent over a year playing ctfs consistently.
To say that there are multiple afkers on either team is not an overstatement or exageration. To say that they are afking the event and farming is because they freely admit doing it.
Over the months 'they' names have changed but the toons standing there doing nothing havnt.
I have been to multiple ctfs that there were more afkers than there were participants.
All of this ended when trophies were removed.

You can make 10k in 30 mins guaranteed without risk doing 2 things that come to mind....

Mining in delucia. I did this when I started, and Hoots used to buy ingots off me.

Tailoring fancy shirts and selling them to the npcs.

All with 50 tailoring or mining and 60 str.

I'd really like to see trophies come back.
IMO the only real problems are people joining both teams, multi clienting, and being afk.

So, here is my input.

Perhaps if you're considered afk for half the event you do not get a trophy(somehow automated)?

Perhaps limit the joining of the event to one character per ip address?

Perhaps at the end of the event if you were eligible for a trophy, a gump pops up for ten seconds only, with a big green button you have to push to get your trophy? If you don't push the big green button within ten seconds you're SOL because you were probably afk.

Problems solved IMO, but I'm no programmer..

BlackFoot wrote:Not assuming, I have experienced more ctfs than most people will. I have spent over a year playing ctfs consistently.
To say that there are multiple afkers on either team is not an overstatement or exageration. To say that they are afking the event and farming is because they freely admit doing it.
Over the months 'they' names have changed but the toons standing there doing nothing havnt.
I have been to multiple ctfs that there were more afkers than there were participants.
All of this ended when trophies were removed.

I've seen people afking, I'm not denying that people do it, nor am I saying that there isn't multiclienting. CTFs ended when trophies were removed. Along with the activity of the shard. Sorry but they're extremely lame now. I've went to quite a few of them early on in the day and there is like 10 people max playing them. I was literally running circles around people with the flag. The last game that I played the score was like 105-0 or something, Fwerp will back me up on that cuz he was on my team. It's easy for you to not want trophy system back in for CTF/DD because you have countless unique rares and hued masks already blackfoot. People who are still striving for things on this shard, or newbies who just join the shard who get to understand the trophy system then seeing a guy with 10 hued masks and several unique rares and his little museum against them getting measly ONE POINTER for a CTF aren't going to be too happy.

Eulogy wrote:I'd really like to see trophies come back.
IMO the only real problems are people joining both teams, multi clienting, and being afk.

So, here is my input.

Perhaps if you're considered afk for half the event you do not get a trophy(somehow automated)?

Perhaps limit the joining of the event to one character per ip address?

Perhaps at the end of the event if you were eligible for a trophy, a gump pops up for ten seconds only, with a big green button you have to push to get your trophy? If you don't push the big green button within ten seconds you're SOL because you were probably afk.

Problems solved IMO, but I'm no programmer..

I share the same thoughts but,

its possible for everyone to see when the event is over so a "bad" player could switch to his evil afk char and use the 10 seconds for the gump confirmation.

Anyways i think an ip check at signup could solve this multi clienting issue....though brothers and sisters who are using one and the same connection have bad luck

Eulogy wrote:I'd really like to see trophies come back.
IMO the only real problems are people joining both teams, multi clienting, and being afk.

So, here is my input.

Perhaps if you're considered afk for half the event you do not get a trophy(somehow automated)?

Perhaps limit the joining of the event to one character per ip address?

Perhaps at the end of the event if you were eligible for a trophy, a gump pops up for ten seconds only, with a big green button you have to push to get your trophy? If you don't push the big green button within ten seconds you're SOL because you were probably afk.

Problems solved IMO, but I'm no programmer..

Good ideas Eulogy but there is no easy solution.

Limiting per IP means more work for devs to lift the potential ip ban on families who play

Razor makes it to easy to simulate being non-afk. Its pathetic, but i have no doubt people would do it


the big button is a good ide but you will still have people split screen afking it.


there will be a loop hole found for nearly everything and as blackfoot has posted you cant leave it up to player integrity to not use the loopholes.

Mirage wrote: You're not supposed to be AFK farming. This is bannable and should be enforced strictly.

You don't need to be a pvper to win a CTF. This is absurd.

im talking about your event char being afk while you are out doing whatever.

It depends on how you would score it. If kills are in play (like team leader used to be) it is very intense. If it is flag only you would end up with teammates fighting bc the "team" doesnt mean sh1t, it would be all about who can score. (yeah you cant actually attack a teammate but it probably would become much less a team game..)

Dont try and make this personal about me and having been around a long time. Sorry I have accumulated points over that time but dont use that as an arguement. Seems to happen in every single thread about trophys...

Refer to earlier post for the rest.

son wrote:You can make 10k in 30 mins guaranteed without risk doing 2 things that come to mind....

Mining in delucia. I did this when I started, and Hoots used to buy ingots off me.

Tailoring fancy shirts and selling them to the npcs.

All with 50 tailoring or mining and 60 str.

so you want to take the 2k inggots challenge?

You have 30 minutes to farm 2k inggots with a brand new char (60 str, 50 mining, 50 whatever else you want)

You start with new gear, (aka 1 shovel, maybe some inggos for more if you start with tinkering)

Ill put cash up against it. let me know since it is "guaranteed without risk "

barding, smithing, etc... all sounds good but when you actually think about it trying to make 10k in 30 mins (and these games arnt typically 30 mins btw...) with a new player you are going to have a hard time justifing it to me.

This economy argument is pointless. Why get into a dead debate when there is a more important issue here?

BlackFoot wrote:Dont try and make this personal about me and having been around a long time. Sorry I have accumulated points over that time but dont use that as an arguement. Seems to happen in every single thread about trophys...

Refer to earlier post for the rest.

It's nothing to be sorry about, just give everyone else the same opportunity that you had, don't act like in "the good ole days" that people weren't afking and multiclienting when you were entering events to get trophies for something.

Hoots wrote:

Mirage wrote: You're not supposed to be AFK farming. This is bannable and should be enforced strictly.

You don't need to be a pvper to win a CTF. This is absurd.

im talking about your event char being afk while you are out doing whatever.

It depends on how you would score it. If kills are in play (like team leader used to be) it is very intense. If it is flag only you would end up with teammates fighting bc the "team" doesnt mean sh1t, it would be all about who can score. (yeah you cant actually attack a teammate but it probably would become much less a team game..)

The winning team gets a trophy, the losing team does not so if leet pvper scores 75 points and kills 1000 people then he still gets the same trophy that newbie who has 0 points and 0 kills gets. This shouldn't even be an issue honestly.

Mirage wrote:

BlackFoot wrote:Dont try and make this personal about me and having been around a long time. Sorry I have accumulated points over that time but dont use that as an arguement. Seems to happen in every single thread about trophys...

Refer to earlier post for the rest.

It's nothing to be sorry about, just give everyone else the same opportunity that you had, don't act like in "the good ole days" that people weren't afking and multiclienting when you were entering events to get trophies for something.

Hoots wrote:

Mirage wrote: You're not supposed to be AFK farming. This is bannable and should be enforced strictly.

You don't need to be a pvper to win a CTF. This is absurd.

im talking about your event char being afk while you are out doing whatever.

It depends on how you would score it. If kills are in play (like team leader used to be) it is very intense. If it is flag only you would end up with teammates fighting bc the "team" doesnt mean sh1t, it would be all about who can score. (yeah you cant actually attack a teammate but it probably would become much less a team game..)

The winning team gets a trophy, the losing team does not so if leet pvper scores 75 points and kills 1000 people then he still gets the same trophy that newbie who has 0 points and 0 kills gets. This shouldn't even be an issue honestly.

are you reading this thread? go back and look about what you are calling "absurd", it was a response to the suggestion of only having 3 or 4 people per team get a trophy. I love selective readin