Shard Population nemesis; Vega

[inkognito]

Oh snaps! So silver was stolen directly out of a pack from a thief? There wasn't even any "hey hold this for me" or "Here take this as down payment for x item"? Please say it ain't so.

[Wonder]

Zues isn't exactly " NEW " he's been running around for long enough to understand basic game mechanics of a 14 year old game. He constantly recalls onto brit roof grey looking for a fight, dies, then screams racial slurs at who ever killed him. I don't think you could call running up to a doorstep and saying " trick or treat " really " hard earned " silver.

From what I gather he was trying to sell that " hard earned silver " and ended up getting hit by a thief in the process. Upon seeing Vega bank sitting (big surprise there) he immediately started flaming him and calling him a " dumb N***** fat F*** " assuming that he had a hand to play in this unfortunate event of newbiesness.

Now i'm not saying it's superleetawesome to rob new kids on their first day here, but lets not make Zues out to be a baby kitten jumping around all nimbly bimbly, drinking milk from a saucer. The OP doesnt even know wtf happened but still came here to slander.


"Era accurate" meaning shit like this happened back in 98, and this being a server striving to mimic that time period means it's going to happen here. Not that its "cool" or that we " condone " that shit... its just how some people who can't be giant dick faces irl for fear of bodily harm choose to act on an online fantasy GAME.

[inkognito]

Zues isn't exactly " NEW " he's been running around for long enough to understand basic game mechanics of a 14 year old game. He constantly recalls onto brit roof grey looking for a fight, dies, then screams racial slurs at who ever killed him. I don't think you could call running up to a doorstep and saying " trick or treat " really " hard earned " silver.

From what I gather he was trying to sell that " hard earned silver " and ended up getting hit by a thief in the process. Upon seeing Vega bank sitting (big surprise there) he immediately started flaming him and calling him a " dumb N***** fat F*** " assuming that he had a hand to play in this unfortunate event of newbiesness.

Now i'm not saying it's superleetawesome to rob new kids on their first day here, but lets not make Zues out to be a baby kitten jumping around all nimbly bimbly, drinking milk from a saucer. The OP doesnt even know wtf happened but still came here to slander.


"Era accurate" meaning shit like this happened back in 98, and this being a server striving to mimic that time period means it's going to happen here. Not that its "cool" or that we " condone " that shit... its just how some people who can't be giant dick faces irl for fear of bodily harm choose to act on an online fantasy GAME.

Thank you! In light of some coherent and non bias truth, I am now fully satisfied with this epic conclusion to this edition of "rage over pixel scams". Being that a thief was involved, and a hot head potty mouth... this is extra special. I hope I see a revised version in tales of adventure soon enough. Pics would be grand.

[Sadistik]

Btw, I have to say just to make my stance known here. I have no issue with scamming, it sucks, but its UO, it happens.
HOWEVER, I DO have issue with someone offering $6gs for one of his buddies pixels and then go and pretend hes innocent when calling gms AFTER his buddy handed his tower over.
Yea, I know, going back to that, but just to be clear, theres differences between a legal scam and just a shady illegal attempted bullshit scam.

AMEN brutha PREEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAACH

[chumbucket]

Here's the deal: Of course it would be wrong to steal, harass, etc., people in day to day life and even in most games. But the context of this game makes it OK because, whether you realize it or not, when you play a game like UO you are implicitly agreeing to risk being a victim of these things. That is the nature of UO. It would be like playing chess and complaining about how knights move because it annoys you and you didn't realize beforehand that's how it worked. And that is what makes it OK. It is a part of the game, and the full UO experience is what most of us are here for.

Maybe UO isn't for everyone. Chess isn't for everyone. But scammers scam and knights move in L's, and that is the nature of things.

Felix noted not too long ago that the real people who bring down the quality of our UO experiences are the pixel hoarders, the obsessives who are "nice guys" but throw genuine, tear-soaked temper tantrums and generate endless forum drama. If you've been playing here half as long as me (or forum lurking), then you can name off ten such players instantly. Most created a big scene, made the shard and forums unpleasant, and ended up leaving/getting banned. Scammers, on the other hand, are just out for fun and laughs, for sport, and the best ones usually manage to create a lot of fun and laughs for others plus a genuine sense that things can go bad for you in game even if they never do, which is one of the things many people like about UO.

[Robbbb]

Disagree. I think the vast majority of "rich"/"established" players would much prefer a larger population.

^

[GuardianKnight]

Here's the deal: Of course it would be wrong to steal, harass, etc., people in day to day life and even in most games. But the context of this game makes it OK because, whether you realize it or not, when you play a game like UO you are implicitly agreeing to risk being a victim of these things. That is the nature of UO. It would be like playing chess and complaining about how knights move because it annoys you and you didn't realize beforehand that's how it worked. And that is what makes it OK. It is a part of the game, and the full UO experience is what most of us are here for.

Maybe UO isn't for everyone. Chess isn't for everyone. But scammers scam and knights move in L's, and that is the nature of things.

Felix noted not too long ago that the real people who bring down the quality of our UO experiences are the pixel hoarders, the obsessives who are "nice guys" but throw genuine, tear-soaked temper tantrums and generate endless forum drama. If you've been playing here half as long as me (or forum lurking), then you can name off ten such players instantly. Most created a big scene, made the shard and forums unpleasant, and ended up leaving/getting banned. Scammers, on the other hand, are just out for fun and laughs, for sport, and the best ones usually manage to create a lot of fun and laughs for others plus a genuine sense that things can go bad for you in game even if they never do, which is one of the things many people like about UO.

That hoarding is usually only partially intentional. You have experienced the playerbase here. You just instinctually don't want to give some of the playerbase anything. In the same way that scamming is ok, spiting some of the obvious horrible people is too. After witnessing how automated IDOCs here are, I refuse to put anything in a house. I have also seen how cutthroat people can get, when normally they are very nice. Automation and Greed are nasty things that a few of us do not like to reward.

[Capitalist]

Here's the deal: Of course it would be wrong to steal, harass, etc., people in day to day life and even in most games. But the context of this game makes it OK because, whether you realize it or not, when you play a game like UO you are implicitly agreeing to risk being a victim of these things. That is the nature of UO. It would be like playing chess and complaining about how knights move because it annoys you and you didn't realize beforehand that's how it worked. And that is what makes it OK. It is a part of the game, and the full UO experience is what most of us are here for.

Maybe UO isn't for everyone. Chess isn't for everyone. But scammers scam and knights move in L's, and that is the nature of things.

Felix noted not too long ago that the real people who bring down the quality of our UO experiences are the pixel hoarders, the obsessives who are "nice guys" but throw genuine, tear-soaked temper tantrums and generate endless forum drama. If you've been playing here half as long as me (or forum lurking), then you can name off ten such players instantly. Most created a big scene, made the shard and forums unpleasant, and ended up leaving/getting banned. Scammers, on the other hand, are just out for fun and laughs, for sport, and the best ones usually manage to create a lot of fun and laughs for others plus a genuine sense that things can go bad for you in game even if they never do, which is one of the things many people like about UO.

That hoarding is usually only partially intentional. You have experienced the playerbase here. You just instinctually don't want to give some of the playerbase anything. In the same way that scamming is ok, spiting some of the obvious horrible people is too. After witnessing how automated IDOCs here are, I refuse to put anything in a house. I have also seen how cutthroat people can get, when normally they are very nice. Automation and Greed are nasty things that a few of us do not like to reward.

I absolutely 100% agree. I have banked anything worth a mil+ over 7 different characters at this point. After IDOCing for so long, I've seen exactly what you describe even by myself for a while. It's vicious.

[Kadull]

there is genuinely no point in these stupid debates about population... If you want to increase your player base, you have to advertise. It's not complicated.

Nobody is going to play 1 shard, or 1 game for their entire lives. You opened, you had a large chunk of the free uo playerbase, and you're failing to advertise. You have players leaving, and not enough coming. What this means is that TopShard listings are not enough to sustain your playerbase.

Again, if your playerbase is shrinking, then what you're doing to sustain your player base is obviously inadequate, and needs to be improved. The obvious improvement would be more advertising. This can be done through social networking sites like facebook and twitter, as well as google targeted ads.

Obviously, word of mouth is also an effective marketing tool. Staff can even do player driven marketing campaigns for rewards... Bring X amount of players, receive Y gift.

Again, this isn't rocket science. Stop the silly debates and start investing in marketing your shard.

[Ohm]

Maybe UO isn't for everyone. Chess isn't for everyone. But scammers scam and knights move in L's, and that is the nature of things.

Perfect

[Li Meiyang]

Maybe UO isn't for everyone. Chess isn't for everyone. But scammers scam and knights move in L's, and that is the nature of things.

Perfect

No. That's a false analogy, just like all the previous sophistry, to make scammers feel better about themselves.

Scamming was not "built in" to the system, it was not part of the design or the mechanics. It's just an unfortunate consequence of an open game. It's gaining someone's trust and then betraying it, it's lying and cheating.

It's not "good fun" for the victim. Sure he just "lost pixels" that he invested time and work into obtaining, whereas in RL there might be recourse for "lost molecules". There's nothing OK about it. We've got a whole subculture on here that actually takes *pride* in their scumbaggery.

All it does it poison the business climate on the shard, foment distrust and drive new players away. There's a reason I don't get scammed, which is that I've been doing deals with people who have forum reps. The cockroaches, somewhat aware of what they are, try to rise into the light by coming onto the forum and justifying their shitty ways with every kind of sophist nonsense known to man. A better solution would be to reform their ways.

We've got a whole community of people who are entirely trustworthy up here on the surfaceworld, join us! People who don't possess the *desire* to cheat newbies out their weeks of work and drive them off for a laugh. We see no pleasure in it.

If you do, well, it's indicative of deeper issues. I realize this underworld may be a necessary evil, but still an evil nonetheless. And asking everyone else to pretend otherwise along with you is asking way too much.

Not up here, where the sun shines and the grass grows. If you want to brag it up unchallenged, then do so unseen, in the dank shadowy pits where such things belong.

[chumbucket]

Maybe UO isn't for everyone. Chess isn't for everyone. But scammers scam and knights move in L's, and that is the nature of things.

Perfect

No. That's a false analogy, just like all the previous sophistry, to make scammers feel better about themselves.

Scamming was not "built in" to the system, it was not part of the design or the mechanics. It's just an unfortunate consequence of an open game. It's gaining someone's trust and then betraying it, it's lying and cheating.

It's not "good fun" for the victim. Sure he just "lost pixels" that he invested time and work into obtaining, whereas in RL there might be recourse for "lost molecules". There's nothing OK about it. We've got a whole subculture on here that actually takes *pride* in their scumbaggery.

All it does it poison the business climate on the shard, foment distrust and drive new players away. There's a reason I don't get scammed, which is that I've been doing deals with people who have forum reps. The cockroaches, somewhat aware of what they are, try to rise into the light by coming onto the forum and justifying their shitty ways with every kind of sophist nonsense known to man. A better solution would be to reform their ways.

We've got a whole community of people who are entirely trustworthy up here on the surfaceworld, join us! People who don't possess the *desire* to cheat newbies out their weeks of work and drive them off for a laugh. We see no pleasure in it.

If you do, well, it's indicative of deeper issues. I realize this underworld may be a necessary evil, but still an evil nonetheless. And asking everyone else to pretend otherwise along with you is asking way too much.

Not up here, where the sun shines and the grass grows. If you want to brag it up unchallenged, then do so unseen, in the dank shadowy pits where such things belong.

Scamming, of course, isn't covered by mechanics. There are no mechanics that make it possible. But neither are there mechanics that make it impossible and, within certain bounds, shard policy allows it. In other words, it is a part of the game.

It is perfectly possible, of course, to have a shard where scamming of various sorts is explicitly prohibited. That is not this shard, and playing within the rules, in the style of the era that is replicated, and with the open knowledge that such things happen in addition to the fact that many people wouldn't play here if it wasn't possible does in fact make it OK.

[Li Meiyang]

And we're back to Wheel of Sophistry, square one, with "because it's possible to do it, it's perfectly acceptable to lie and cheat people."

For anyone who's not aware, there *is* recourse against these guys if they use the forum to perpetrate their scams.

viewtopic.php?f=102&t=52155

Consequences include forum banning and in-game banning. Use it. Even if it's just tangental, find a way to get it on the forum before you do any deal. (I'm assuming this applies to PMs too).

IRC may still be a free for all, so be careful there.

As a general precaution, try to limit your business dealings to people have established forum accounts with good reps. I think the reason the GMs can't do anything about purely in-game scams is that there's no record of anything to investigate. (Cue more scammer logic about how this means it's totally fine and even encouraged by the shard )

[GuardianKnight]

I got irc scammed by a well known and trusted person recently. I copied his IP down and even matched it up for staff. Because I couldn't PROVE that the person selling the item was purposely scamming me, they didn't do anything.

Give you a hint. Sultan.

[BananaKush]

You guys are crying about a busted server!

How many people can you scam on this server 197 IPs?