UO Second Age

punk wrote:I joined Zsv the day I came to UOSA and was helped tremendously. As a now established player I help noobs not only in Zsv but also members of other guilds. Protecting people while they farm, giving advice and equiptment, or gating people around.

When a friend and a guild member comes on guild chat saying a K^A ganksquad just rolled through and PKd him in a dungeon, you DAMNED right in 10 seconds you'll find me in K^A's town getting retribution.

It's called .... guild accountability. You cannot have a guild where each of their members stands completely separate and are judged 100% on their own deeds. It's kinda aversive to the very nature of a guild in the first place. If K^A starts having ganksquads, then all members will pay. If you don't want to be accountable for the sleazy gankers in your guild, tell them to turn the guild abbreviation off above their head.

I have never once killed an innocent when I wasn't provoked, attacked, knew it was an alt of a griefer/ known farmer killer. And I'm willing to bet 98% of Zsv shares my exact sentiments.

If anyone has any information on people in our guild killing innocents, feel free to let us know with specific details. Thanks.

Already been done PUNK, with the result of nothing being done about it.

I stopped posting here after i got an apology from damascus.
I am going to say though that each time someone apologizes it sounds like they are talking to me like a special retarded kid.

This whole thread was to put people on guard because i wasn't when i saw them and they got a free kill. I made no attempt to fight them at all and i have no doubt that it is how they were planning on getting most of their kills.

oh and:

a:) it's in second age discussion because it fits the UO: T2A era theme. AFAIK there haven't been any crazy posts worthy of moving it and i'm actually very proud of everyone for not degrading it into something else.

KydVicious wrote:Already been done PUNK, with the result of nothing being done about it.

I bet KID. Sounds really fishy to me. I know of members that were kicked out because an ALT of theirs joined a PK guild. AFAIK all violators are punished, and if not then there is probably a really good reason for it.

punk wrote:

KydVicious wrote:Already been done PUNK, with the result of nothing being done about it.

I bet KID. Sounds really fishy to me. I know of members that were kicked out because an ALT of theirs joined a PK guild. AFAIK all violators are punished, and if not then there is probably a really good reason for it.

Grassblade for one, he's still in and he has killed innocent blues and was reported for it and has done it numerous times. He has never been kicked for it and hasn't even been reprimanded for it. He has said so himself that he will never be kicked. Orphik just let it be known that ZSV lets him and numerous others get away with PKing whether it be blue PKing or red.

u do know that this little thing K^A and Zsv have will never end. u attack us, we attack back, then u attack back, and so on....but thats y i log in everyday! it makes it fun!!!

and gk if i seemed to say sorry in that manner, then o well next time i wont say it!


i do find it kinda far fetched tho, to call the whole K^A guild pks, when its only a handfull of us that acculy do!

KydVicious wrote:

punk wrote:

KydVicious wrote:Already been done PUNK, with the result of nothing being done about it.

I bet KID. Sounds really fishy to me. I know of members that were kicked out because an ALT of theirs joined a PK guild. AFAIK all violators are punished, and if not then there is probably a really good reason for it.

Grassblade for one, he's still in and he has killed innocent blues and was reported for it and has done it numerous times. He has never been kicked for it and hasn't even been reprimanded for it. He has said so himself that he will never be kicked. Orphik just let it be known that ZSV lets him and numerous others get away with PKing whether it be blue PKing or red.

That is really its own isolated incident. I was there that night, and yes Orphik killed grassblade, banned him from the tower and was kicking him from guild. I don't know what happened but I think after people cooled off grassblade was let back in the guild, warned, and is on a zero tolerance policy from here forward.

Either way, he WAS reprimanded, and don't pretend like anything different SHOULD have happened. You worry about your people in your guild and we will worry about ours.

KydVicious wrote:

Damascus wrote:

Psilo wrote: I am fully aware that you were a miner. Not only do we kill K^A but we're trying to give your kingdom a message. Being in K^A is more than just a convenient LARGE guild chat room. It's a title that represents an affiliation that you are a part of.

You can't expect to wear K^A and not be accountable for what your guild has done in dungeons lol. Change or choose your direction! Right now your kingdom is in shambles!

who's guild is in shambles?
KA is place for all player types/styles/ personalities.
we are very active.

For an anti pk/griefing guild. i think your guild is "in shambles".

Exactamundo.......ZSV the guild that advertised itself when it was starting that they were strictly ANTI-PK has now become a bunch of PK wannabes. Psilo you are a GM who is driving a bus with no brakes and headin for a cliff, your guys are really a bunch of immature assholes who I take delight in killin on-sight, why you ask, well it works for them...right? As far as KA I really can't believe that they allow themselves to stoop to ZSV's level, Damascus, I'm surprised that you would allow this to go on. A sad state of affairs all the way around.

UGh, what...do you play this shard?

Grassblade for one, he's still in and he has killed innocent blues and was reported for it and has done it numerous times. He has never been kicked for it and hasn't even been reprimanded for it. He has said so himself that he will never be kicked. Orphik just let it be known that ZSV lets him and numerous others get away with PKing whether it be blue PKing or red.

I gave him another chance, not everyone is perfect and no guild is perfect. We'll see.

Btw guys, it's not a big deal that we killed a K^A miner lol. We're just having fun with our enemy. You don't have to "declare war" to be at war with a guild. You guys are thinking too linear. There is meaning to who we kill, 98% of the time at least. The other 2% are the members who kill on their own time and terms and don't tell me about it, nothing I can do about that.

I have nothing against K^A btw, this is after all a game. I'm just playing my role, nothing is personal so I don't see why people "SEEM" to get heated with us. Maybe it's just that you can't express your emotion over the net but it seems like it lol.

Why you lookin for a date sweetpea? You missin a middle-man in that circle-jerk you call a guild?

Sorry, I'm in a couple other guilds and we don't swing that way

Seems that you enjoyed the anti-PK role until you got bored and decided to try it out yourselves. That's fine just admit that you guys are PK's, blue and red and that you will gank anybody for any reason that suits you at the time and we can close out this thread. You guys are hypocrites and liars, people in your own guild have you guys pegged they just choose to roll with it.

Maybe ZSV just got too big for you to handle Psilo? Or maybe you got the numbers now and decided to become the lesser of evils on UOSA.....yes you're semi-evil....quasi-evil....you're the Diet Coke of Evil, just one calorie, not evil enough.

Seriously, you guys don't seem to be listening.

WHO CARES WHO ATTACKED FIRST?

K^A rolled through with a ganksquad to take out Zsv because two Zsv ganked one of their miners the day before!
And I'm sure the Zsv guys did that because someone from KA did something to them the day before that, and so on, and so on.
Punk, I don't blame you, I would have done the same thing, and will continue to. If a bunch of Zsv attack ANYONE in the guild, or if any other guild does for that matter, whether my guildmate is red or not, I'll head out to defend him or her.

When it comes down to it, K^A ADMITS to being a guild that allows pk's, although with some rules applied to them, whereas Zsv denies having any, when I know for a FACT my unknown alts have been attacked by Zsv unprovoked and unable to defend themselves. I accept it, and plan my revenge for another day on a character better suited for it.

That all being said, I enjoy a little conflict. It brings meaning to pvp, rather than running around looking for reds to attack, whether those reds are actively pk'ing or not. I don't attack pure innocents, but I'll gladly go red if it means attacking blues that are attacking reds in my guild. Does that make me a target for Zsv? Fine! I accept the challenge and the fun it brings.

I agree Psilo. Without conflict we'd all just be farming the same spawns over and over again, and RED TEAM VS BLUE TEAM isn't my cup of tea.

the big deal with killing the miner is that you said you dont kill noobs or ppl who can defend them selves, then u go and kill a miner? all your doing is contradicting yourself. you might be mostly a anti-pk guild, but if the chance comes for easy kill your guild takes it. i feel there is 0 difference between K^A and Zsv. and we will always be unofficially at war.

BenBrawl wrote:the big deal with killing the miner is that you said you dont kill noobs or ppl who can defend them selves, then u go and kill a miner? all your doing is contradicting yourself. you might be mostly a anti-pk guild, but if the chance comes for easy kill your guild takes it. i feel there is 0 difference between K^A and Zsv. and we will always be unofficially at war.

Amen, ZSV's hypocrisy in action

Lol I like how you guys have ONE example : a single miner dying ... and u keep throwing it in every post you ever made. Alert the fuckin media, a miner died. I guess we both know at this point that Zsv has rules and sticks by em most of the time and we've reduced your entire argument down to "omgad u killzorzed a miner, cryyy"

What have we all learned from this thread? That if you have a massive zerg guild with 200 people, and some of the people PK some of the time, it just doesn't work... you can't seem to take the heat of the aftermath.

what is AFAIK?

Sandro wrote:what is AFAIK?

As far as I know