Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:28 pm
This is unbelievable.
WHat is?Mirage wrote:This is unbelievable.
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Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:33 pm
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:38 pm
This is a good time to start reviewing some ideas about defining what accuracy is, and, how to deal with the sticky situations which arise from having a cut-off date.
Principles of Accuracy
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18790
Era Accurate Terminology
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=165034
There are exceptions to every rule - "It's nevergood to be surprised by a bunch of strangers picking you up off the street and throwing you into a swimming pool... unless the pool is filled with naked women."
The cut-off date is 23rd Nov 1999... unless the changes negatively affect gameplay in such a way as to be exploited... or some other exception.
At least then there is a predictable way of showing exactly when and where the general rule of the cut-off date can be put aside, and for reasons that are set out before the question arises.
Principles of Accuracy
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18790
Era Accurate Terminology
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&p=165034
There are exceptions to every rule - "It's nevergood to be surprised by a bunch of strangers picking you up off the street and throwing you into a swimming pool... unless the pool is filled with naked women."
The cut-off date is 23rd Nov 1999... unless the changes negatively affect gameplay in such a way as to be exploited... or some other exception.
At least then there is a predictable way of showing exactly when and where the general rule of the cut-off date can be put aside, and for reasons that are set out before the question arises.
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:40 pm
Passive skill gain is not era accurate for this shard anyway, it was removed before I even started playing UO in april '99. I remember reading about it, but it was never a part of the game when I played.Mens Rea wrote:Passive camping gain was quite clearly an unintended bug. It should have been removed with all gain-by-proximity skill gain.
Remove it, on the same basis that we don't have flying boats, submarines, duping or illegal house placement. They were all unintended bugs that subtracted from the game.
Do away with passive skillgain on the basis that it should have been removed, or was removed, or that it was a bug...
then stop crying.
Skill atrophy seemed impossible to control, you could use all 7 of your main skills, not touch anything else and randomly lose skill in magery when you had something stupid like arms lore, despite not using arms lore since character creation. It just took a long time to balance out your skills. This was most notable when trying to raise stats, even if you were using a skill which raised str and int, but not dex, you'd still lose INT or STR randomly while you were working on those two very same stats.
Removing stat locks without removing skill locks is not really much of a big deal though 'cause you can just macro your stats back to perfection every night.
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:09 am
I tend to agree with this.MatronDeWinter wrote:
Without skill locks, detect hidden in a house becomes more annoying. Good for business.[/quote]
It's a real shame for you that you couldn't gain detect hidden inside a house
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:27 am
It's a real shame for you that you couldn't gain detect hidden inside a houseMens Rea wrote:I tend to agree with this.MatronDeWinter wrote:
Without skill locks, detect hidden in a house becomes more annoying. Good for business.
[/quote]You can from 0-10
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:22 am
Well done friend, you have discovered another inaccuracy to be fixedMatronDeWinter wrote:You can from 0-10
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:44 am
Great! Though I don't see anything proving that.Mens Rea wrote:Well done friend, you have discovered another inaccuracy to be fixedMatronDeWinter wrote:You can from 0-10
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:11 am
So what are the most important things regarding accuracy and their dates of implmentation
if you give me stuff and the dates it ran from when to when i can start to build a chart
would think pre-cast, insta hit, etc would be big ones,
if you give me stuff and the dates it ran from when to when i can start to build a chart
would think pre-cast, insta hit, etc would be big ones,
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:49 pm
I feel like people are just slinging mud at the forums to see what sticks.Mens Rea wrote:Well done friend, you have discovered another inaccuracy to be fixedMatronDeWinter wrote:You can from 0-10
If you are going to make a claim like this please back it up with something. Skill gain from zero to ten never required any difficulty to my knowledge, too hard or too easy did not apply in this special range. If you have information that contradicts that please make a new thread.
I would not have time enough in the day to respond to all the posts in these threads which are unsubstantiated, please never take my silence on posts like this as an agreement, this is a single example of this out of literally hundreds of similar posts in accuracy threads.
Update:
The skill gain for hiding and detecting hidden for a house owner/friend at < 10 skill has indeed been found to be inaccurate.
Still though, please at least provide some rationale when posting things like this because I do breeze right past them.
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:20 pm
[/quote] Removing stat locks without removing skill locks is not really much of a big deal though 'cause you can just macro your stats back to perfection every night.[/quote]
How do you get your stats to move around without gaining any skills?
I personally am pretty annoyed by prospect of a no-stat lock change... it seems like 100/100/25 builds won't have much trouble - dexers will keep using skills that gain str and dex, and won't see a buildup of int... mages will be able to steer clear of dex builders... but for those of us who are rocking 100/85/40 etc. keeping up with the constant changes will be a real chore. Seems like this kind of a reversion to old systems does nothing but to promote boring old cookie-cutter templates. (Boring to me.)
But, boo-hoo, oh well! I'm all about rolling with the group consensus, and accuracy is important to me too. Its just important to consider that, yes, it will be a big deal for some people - not all of us can macro all night every night. Some of us Mac users can't even get Razor working.
Just sayin'!
EDIT: I can never get the quotes to work right :/
How do you get your stats to move around without gaining any skills?
I personally am pretty annoyed by prospect of a no-stat lock change... it seems like 100/100/25 builds won't have much trouble - dexers will keep using skills that gain str and dex, and won't see a buildup of int... mages will be able to steer clear of dex builders... but for those of us who are rocking 100/85/40 etc. keeping up with the constant changes will be a real chore. Seems like this kind of a reversion to old systems does nothing but to promote boring old cookie-cutter templates. (Boring to me.)
But, boo-hoo, oh well! I'm all about rolling with the group consensus, and accuracy is important to me too. Its just important to consider that, yes, it will be a big deal for some people - not all of us can macro all night every night. Some of us Mac users can't even get Razor working.
Just sayin'!
EDIT: I can never get the quotes to work right :/
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 2:50 pm
UO Herald Patch Notes
There isn't a November 23rd update there.
UO Herald Publish Notes
There's one there but it only regards Potion Kegs.
A search for skill management, skill lock and bank weight limit turned up nothing. Where did this November 23rd cut-off update originate from on UOHerald.com?
About Lockdown Changes
There isn't a November 23rd update there.
UO Herald Publish Notes
There's one there but it only regards Potion Kegs.
A search for skill management, skill lock and bank weight limit turned up nothing. Where did this November 23rd cut-off update originate from on UOHerald.com?
About Lockdown Changes
Unless I'm missing some other esoteric update, this basically means you shouldn't be able to lock down items on the front door steps of your house at all.05 Dec 2000 00:00:00 ES Players may now lockdown items on/near stairs that are "passable". This means they can lock down any item that can be walked over or on, near stairs.
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:07 pm
The patch is there just have to look a little harder...
Latest Updates - http://update.uo.com/latest.html wrote: Co-owners Nov 23 1999 2:50PM CST
Co-ownership will allow you to select trusted friends and allies to control some of the important functions of a house. This will allow more flexibility for house owners and provide a method for additional storage for those players who share houses.
Full Story
Taste ID Changes Nov 23 1999 2:45PM CST
The Taste Identification skill will be difficulty based.
Full Story
Maker's Mark Nov 23 1999 2:40PM CST
Some of the trade skills will be enhanced to allow for more flexibility and personalization of their wares.
Full Story
Perma-reds Nov 23 1999 2:37PM CST
A new answer to "I must consider my sins" has been added for those characters that are permanently red.
Full Story
Skill Management Nov 23 1999 2:32PM CST
Skill Management will give players more control over the skills they raise, keep, and let atrophy.
Full Story
Vendor Changes Nov 23 1999 2:30PM CST
Changes will be made to purchasing items from vendors to make transactions more secure. Also includes change to evaluate intelligence and vendors.
Full Story
Pet Changes Nov 23 1999 2:26PM CST
Some fixes to issues with pets and packhorses.
Full Story
Phase II (Lock downs and Secures) Nov 23 1999 2:25PM CST
Phase II of Clean Up Britannia includes changes to lockdowns, secure containers and bank boxes.
Full Story
Boats Nov 23 1999 2:20PM CST
Changes to boats to make them more identifiable and fixing an issue with dry docking them.
Full Story
Carpentry Nov 23 1999 2:18PM CST
A fix for the carpentry skill using cloth.
Full Story
Veterinary and Healing Changes Nov 23 1999 2:16PM CST
Changes made to veterinary and healing to make them more consistent.
Full Story
Bank Boxes Nov 23 1999 2:10PM CST
Bank Boxes have had their weight limits removed and containers within the bank box will not have a weight limit either. The bank box retains the 125 total item limit and that includes any items in containers within the bank.
Alchemy Messages Nov 23 1999 1:15PM CST
Alchemy messages will appear in the lower left of the UO play window of the alchemist. Other players will not see the messages.
Rune Books Nov 23 1999 1:12PM CST
Rune Books are designed to help reduce the total number of runes in the game and to assist rune libraries with the lock down changes.
Full Story
House Age Nov 23 1999 1:11PM CST
Players will be able to determine whether their house was placed after or before the house placement rules were changed.
Full Story
Potion Kegs Nov 23 1999 1:10PM CST
Potion Kegs are designed to help alchemists store their potions without having to use up a lot of their lockdown slots.
Full Story
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:06 pm
http://www.uoherald.com/ doesn't link to that website. At least there aren't any links that I was able to find.
Do you have any credible sources?
Do you have any credible sources?
Re: The Cut-Off Date
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:28 pm
update.uo.com/latest.html was the older link to the update website for UO updates. The website came on line as a replacement for http://www.owo.com (Origin Worlds Online) in April 99, and served as the main website for UO related news and updates until 2006. Obviously, the website still exists and can be reached if you know the direct URL, but there are no longer any links to that page that can be reached without undue effort (nearly all pages under the http://www.uo.com domain redirect to http://www.uoherald.com now, including the update page).