UO Second Age

Kraarug wrote:

Shea wrote:All of the arguments against stealing so far completely ignore one simple fact: You can negate the steal by type through simple preparation.

Enough of the whining about what a pain in the butt the addition of stealing will be. That shouldn't even be a factor in this decision since not making a tournament where stealing is allowed just caters to a particular play style.

Hemp, you have provided absolutely no evidence thus far and your statements are largely opinion. Steal-by-type is not talked about in IRC daily. As usual you are completely over stating this in order to support your unsubstantiated point.... which has become status quo for you.

With 'target by type' there is no real negating.

If you see a person is a fencer just use your 'steal kryss-by-type' macro.

My kryss is in my hand! So there's 10 seconds.

Hemperor, I don't know what "in the field" means, but I spent a solid 2 months traveling the shard, using a GM tracker to find people that were even remotely close to me, and I killed about 250 people - never killing someone twice... and that's not including the murders and grays, so probably 300+. Add in another couple hundred people who I fought that got away, and I probably bumped into most of the regular players. I never once got stolen from "by type", though I don't think I ever ran into Tekai or Socks, and it sounds like they're the only ones using it. But I never saw you once. Maybe you were on a different field.

Hemperor wrote:

ClowN wrote:

Faust wrote:Why not allow tamers to bring in a 100 dragons too?

The rules are there based on the traditional ruleset that has been in place for over a decade for competitive dueling. Stealing has never been allowed in a duel just like numerous other features that would get you disqualified during a normal or traditional player run tournament. The inaccurate addition of stealing by target type through Razor makes this even more pointless in my opinion too.

We should stick to the common consensus that has been in place for over a decade now for tournaments.

this "traditional rule set" you speak of was never intended to be a part of UO. Just like tournaments themselves were never built into the game. there is alot more to UO pvp then 1v1 tank mage battles. players made up these rules you speak of, not the game designers. i see no reason that this shouldnt be considered as stealing is a very viable pvp skill in field fighting.

Dragon armies are a very viable pvp skill.

dumb argument. why dont i just hire 100 npc paladins and bring them too? because pvp isnt about NPCs and mobs fighting eachother. its about PLAYERS vs PLAYERS. get it?

Mikel123 wrote:

Kraarug wrote:

Shea wrote:All of the arguments against stealing so far completely ignore one simple fact: You can negate the steal by type through simple preparation.

Enough of the whining about what a pain in the butt the addition of stealing will be. That shouldn't even be a factor in this decision since not making a tournament where stealing is allowed just caters to a particular play style.

Hemp, you have provided absolutely no evidence thus far and your statements are largely opinion. Steal-by-type is not talked about in IRC daily. As usual you are completely over stating this in order to support your unsubstantiated point.... which has become status quo for you.

With 'target by type' there is no real negating.

If you see a person is a fencer just use your 'steal kryss-by-type' macro.

My kryss is in my hand! So there's 10 seconds.

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I always carry more than one kryss, fork, spear. All DP'd and all ready to go. Something I learned after more than 2 months of playing a dexxor.

a.) Socks does not play here

b.) Tekai rarely every plays

Shea wrote:Remember, thieves would be handicapped somehow by taking stealing over something else.

Not to mention snooping, and yes, you need snooping. Or the other skills we regularly have.

A summary of the previous pages:

Leet Tourney PvPers wrote: "OMG NO CHANGES TO TOURNEYS AND DONT ADD ANY EVENTS THAT WE CANT PLAY IN!"

There is absolutely NO problem in adding another scripted event that a different style of player can play in.

10 year old tradition of dueling is a weak argument. No one is saying revamp all tourneys. You can still meet in honor in Trammel Paradise and Corp Por your frustrations out risk free.

Kraarug wrote:
I always carry more than one kryss, fork, spear. All DP'd and all ready to go. Something I learned after more than 2 months of playing a dexxor.

Then stop whining about your stuff potentially being stolen in a tourney.

Shea wrote:

Kraarug wrote:
I always carry more than one kryss, fork, spear. All DP'd and all ready to go. Something I learned after more than 2 months of playing a dexxor.

Then stop whining about your stuff potentially being stolen in a tourney.

Actually, I'm not whining in this thread. You need to check yourself chump.

Having extra DP'd items to use to FIGHT other players is not the same as standing around in a confined space in green acres and turning an event that is suppose to be about fighting into a all you can steal buffet.

Maybe you aren't aware of this but a player carrying extra DP'd items is a way of not having to have Poison as a skill while RISKING these items if a fight goes the wrong way.

Stick to the bank and trying to snatch crap from players involved in fights... leave the tourny business to those who are actually fighting in tournys and stfu.

Already people can't fight without some gimpy thief getting gitty about the stuff they can take and f'up other people's fights.

We don't need that shit spread to other parts of the game.

kraarug wrote:Stick to the bank and trying to snatch crap from players involved in fights... leave the tourny business to those who are actually fighting in tournys and stfu.

Already people can't fight without some gimpy thief getting gitty about the stuff they can take and f'up other people's fights.

We don't need that shit spread to other parts of the game.

Have a couple of these then....

MatronDeWinter wrote:

kraarug wrote:Stick to the bank and trying to snatch crap from players involved in fights... leave the tourny business to those who are actually fighting in tournys and stfu.

Already people can't fight without some gimpy thief getting gitty about the stuff they can take and f'up other people's fights.

We don't need that shit spread to other parts of the game.

Have a couple of these then....

Let me refute your point with your ideology.

I want to be able to bring in dragons with my tamer character as well. If you disagree with this then it is solely because you cannot adapt and must be trying to accomplish Trammel on this shard.


Now of course your only response to this is "Well that's ridiculous, dragons aren't considered tournament pvp!". You can't just bend the rules. All in or nothing.

Bringing dragons into a tournament is completely off base. It is a failure of an argument. Arguing that no changes or less restrictions should be made to any kind of tournament ever is somehow equal to a tamer battle is kind of funny but that's about it.

Can you please try to bring something to the table when you post or at least be constructive in a positive way?

Allowing more spells and skills to be used in a pvp tournament is not in any way equal to allowing players to bring in npc's.

MatronDeWinter wrote:

kraarug wrote:Stick to the bank and trying to snatch crap from players involved in fights... leave the tourny business to those who are actually fighting in tournys and stfu.

Already people can't fight without some gimpy thief getting gitty about the stuff they can take and f'up other people's fights.

We don't need that shit spread to other parts of the game.

Have a couple of these then....

That cracked me up

are thsoe purple things trammel stone things?

Kraarug wrote:

MatronDeWinter wrote:

kraarug wrote:Stick to the bank and trying to snatch crap from players involved in fights... leave the tourny business to those who are actually fighting in tournys and stfu.

Already people can't fight without some gimpy thief getting gitty about the stuff they can take and f'up other people's fights.

We don't need that shit spread to other parts of the game.

Have a couple of these then....

That cracked me up

Knew you would like it.
Yes blackfoot, those are trammel moonstones.

Hemperor wrote:

MatronDeWinter wrote:

kraarug wrote:Stick to the bank and trying to snatch crap from players involved in fights... leave the tourny business to those who are actually fighting in tournys and stfu.

Already people can't fight without some gimpy thief getting gitty about the stuff they can take and f'up other people's fights.

We don't need that shit spread to other parts of the game.

Have a couple of these then....

Let me refute your point with your ideology.

I want to be able to bring in dragons with my tamer character as well. If you disagree with this then it is solely because you cannot adapt and must be trying to accomplish Trammel on this shard.


Now of course your only response to this is "Well that's ridiculous, dragons aren't considered tournament pvp!". You can't just bend the rules. All in or nothing.

Feel free to look up the word fallacy, as your argument falls into the slippery slope category.

So what is the logical reasoning behind adding stealing to tournaments?

To make it less "trammel"? if so wouldn't it make more sense to just add full looting of your opponents corpse, afteral that is far less carebear then allowing one player type an advantage, that'd be fairer right?


or are we allowing every skill in tournaments as an idea? so we should allow stealthers and people with hiding, and therefore we should allow every item including invis, teleport and mr items because it'd be fair on everyone then, we can't make exceptions for certain play styles and it'll be fair because every play style sacrafices skillpoints for other areas, so we should let tamers in, not with an army of dragons (maybe one or two let's not get overzealous).

So what's left after all that? Everyone using a tamer with invis items and hiding or everyone abusing target by type steal macros on thief dexers... fun times