UO Second Age

Faust wrote:Hrm, quite like you making accusations that the demo isn't true for anything?

UO Google Groups - http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.computer.ultima.online/browse_thread/thread/f2ad037f4a5d2479/43dca166a8100ef3?lnk=gst&q=%22ultima+online%22%2Bspell%2Bwield#43dca166a8100ef3 wrote:I made an interesting discovery last night. Effective after
the last patch, you can wield a weapon when casting targetable spells
as the code checks for weapons when clicking with the targeting
cursor, and not while casting. So, cast the spell while having your
paperdoll open, drag you weapon to your bag with the targeting cursor,
shoot the spell and put your weapon back.

Note that you can also leave the cursor in the targetting mode
and play for ages with it. It's good for tight situations such as
training with wisps where you can die in a second if you don't have
reactive armor on.

Hmmm, very interesting.

Darn, that inaccurate demo!

Faust wrote:
..Wrestling is not completely negated due to this old game mechanic. Again, there is suppose to be no disrupt delay and when someone is interrupted during this process it takes the remainder of the action delay before you can unequip and cast another spell. The action delay needs to be fixed for this too. Also, there is evidence to suggest that the equip delay can be bypassed in the new swing timer and equipping a weapon in this manner would severely render a weapon useless in most cases if this is true since the delay would simply restart.

Kraarug wrote: I don't remember that, but that's because I didn't play the demo.

If it's an ability that the demo allows then it should stand as proof that the demo is flawed.

Faust wrote:

Kraarug wrote: I don't remember that, but that's because I didn't play the demo.

If it's an ability that the demo allows then it should stand as proof that the demo is flawed.

Well you have been trying to argue "credibility" this entire time when you were in fact wrong. Second, you are trying to make a claim of "confusion" when you are in fact the one that is confused. Third, we have substantial proof that this existed before and up to July '98 without a doubt and no proof that it was ever removed until the UOR publish.

If the demo allows arming while casting then it iis flawed as a T2A copy.

It is accurate to Pre T2A UO.

It shows it is not a T2A era source.

Kraarug on Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:26 am wrote:
You're right Mikel. This is why no one trained wrestling in 1999.

You just had to arm your katana and risk getting hit between casts without a weapon for 1 confirmed second.

I don't remember that, but that's because I didn't play the demo.

You should think about throwing a "Toggle: War Mode" into your macro though so that you can save your katana's durability from auto defend mishaps.

Kraarug on Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:30 pm wrote:Faust, in T2A you could never arm a weapon and continue to cast.

As I've explained, if you had a hally in your hand while you were casting and you swung, you would be using your swordsmanship skill. That would not simply be the ability to not have your spell interrupted by a peskey arming technicality, it would be the abilty to use a weapon while casting and that never occured on a production shard. If it's an ability that the demo allows then it should stand as proof that the demo is flawed.

If one was able to use a sword while casting there would be no reason to have trained wrestling. Why train wrestling for the split second you would not have a weapon? It makes no since and certainly was not the case in 1999.

It's as simple as that. Res ipsa loquitur

Hell, why even make players disarm at all? For show?

faust wrote:Sorry, if you can't seem to grasp the point that was being made in my post. Why should one restriction be relaxed and the next shouldn't? Again, the rules put in place has been etched in the minds of competitive duelers for well over a decade now. There is a reason the "majority" enjoys dueling this way.

MatronDeWinter wrote:From another thread..

faust wrote:Sorry, if you can't seem to grasp the point that was being made in my post. Why should one restriction be relaxed and the next shouldn't? Again, the rules put in place has been etched in the minds of competitive duelers for well over a decade now. There is a reason the "majority" enjoys dueling this way.

Does the majority here think that this should be implimented? I certainly do not remember it working this way.

Kraarug wrote:What I am saying is that there is enough doubt to do zero changes. You have no proof other than a demo that wasn't even T2A. And that's not proof to make a change, especially the change being suggested which certainly would not result in any known T2A scenarios.


It's not era accurate and should not be represented as such.