SHOULD EVENTS BE REMOVED OR LIMITED

[Kraarug]

so it is the length of the events that are the problem?

well, after a couple of hundred posts in the many threads on this topic i'd say that the people who dislike the current event system have many different reasons to do so. to reduce them to single statements like "they are too long" or "they take away from field pvp" is an oversimplification.

finding specific problems help come to a comprimise - arbitration 101!

I'd say it's the frequency and duration. Both interrupt actual game play and need to be greatly reduced and/or eliminated.

[BlackFoot]

There was a bagball and a survival this morning. Did that interupt any ones game play or is that time good? They combined to last for 30-40 mins.

[Kraarug]

There was a bagball and a survival this morning. Did that interupt any ones game play or is that time good? They combined to last for 30-40 mins.

Good point.

It's the PvP events that seem to be the most frequent and the bulk of the problem.

Perhaps the non-pvp events are ok the way they are, if continued to contained and not grow in frequency.

[Pat]

I agree that its the tourneys that take up the time. The CTF's and other games usually last about 15 minutes. Its the constant back to back tourneys that kill the game play. For example, last night i logged on and it was pretty damn empty everywhere i went... then i noticed the tourneys were going on so i logged off for the night.

[Kraarug]

I consider CTF and DD PvP events.

[Cataclyst]

I still don't understand a damn thing. To me it's just seeming like you're all just bitter. PvP/Pking like that happens at the GY ALL the time, I'm sorry you're not normally their Vlast. I started to post the other day, if you want to provoke HUGE action at the graveyard... then bring a couple of reds there. Then you'll get the Anti-Pking/Red guilds out there, who get all the friends they have.. and eventually within 30 minutes you usually have a 10v10 going on atleast.

Removing events will NOT make PvPers go out into the field and play more. Of course it isn't a TG hate thread, but when you're talking about things that take away from field pvp... why stop only at events? You said it yourself that your guild planned on setting up three sets of three archer bots (9 archers total) around your town, completely eliminating ANYONE from wanting to even come to TG town to fight a bunch of people who hug their archers closer than blues hug guards.

Then you have guilds like MHK.. who will actually fight you.. only if you're next to one of their towers, so they can run in, load up, run out synch, run back in etc.

There are barely any guilds full of people who will restock and come back to continue fighting. THAT is the problem. I run into plenty of action 80% of the time im on, 20% of the time I'm bored so I try and cause action in IRC by provoking random ragers. Action will pop up, people will die, you won't see them again until tomorrow. They seem to rage when they die and just disapear.


BUT ANYWAY

I still don't see how removing/limiting events will.. to you.. cause field pvp to have a huge increase, if any at all. Most of the people who do the events PvP for rewards.. have you ever seen a CTF? It's full of random noob chars (unfinished), 50 dexxers, CRAFTERS.. you name it. Rarely do any of them PvP, so you won't catch them on the field. The tournaments are the same way, you'll catch maybe 6-12 people in it who you'll normally see on the field.. like

Myself, Sandro, Orphik Deranger, Legendaries, Hypnotize Minds, Weezy/Chad, Erik, Charley, Anthony, and a couple of others *sorry I suck at peoples names*. The biggest difference however, is that half of the people only attack greys/reds, so it's impossible for them to be ganked without being able to dish out murder counts, and this isn't a bad way of fighting although it's quite annoying when you're that red/grey. which brings me to my original point.......

If you find yourself not being able to find ANY field PvP Action

GO

RED

I swear to you whatever action you have now, will almost tripple.

[Vlastslav]

I still don't understand a damn thing.

By saying that you truly do not understand whats going on in this thread or how events actually effect overall shard pvp. You think this is about TG field pvp and that we cant find enough of it so we blame events. That could not be farther from the truth. Your suggestion of going red does not help shard pvp whatsoever, and probably hurts it more. Going stat loss just limits how much pvp your character can actually engage in. While a war'd blue can fight almost anyone, anywhere.

[Cataclyst]

I still don't understand a damn thing.

By saying that you truly do not understand whats going on in this thread or how events actually effect overall shard pvp. You think this is about TG field pvp and that we cant find enough of it so we blame events. That could not be farther from the truth. Your suggestion of going red does not help shard pvp whatsoever, and probably hurts it more. Going stat loss just limits how much pvp your character can actually engage in. While a war'd blue can fight almost anyone, anywhere.

My line you quoted, is meant towards why you're complaining on the subject matter. NO ONE said anything about going statloss, perhaps you should read over my post again. How is it far from the truth? I thought you made the thread because YOU couldn't find any field pvp anywhere?

[Cataclyst]

Events have created a form of pvp that most tank mages and fearful players have now come to enjoy far greater than normal field pvp, which is the entire concept of UO in the first place. Instead of logging on and engaging in random pvp, people now look forward to preset, FAKE, pvp with no risk involved. Similar to wow arenas and/or duels, the pvp is set up with little to no random events taking away from what field pvp is, adapting to the situation at hand.

My opinion is to remove or limit events so people will log on and enjoy the game the way it was supposed to be played instead of logging on for events then waiting for the next one to start. So many times have we seen zero people fielding, yet an event will open up and 50 "pvpers" magically show up. By removing or limiting events people will actually be forced to go out and pvp or set up networks of fighting.

I understand by removing or limiting events, a new way to supply trophies to the shard population is needed. I suggest this be done by random monster attacks on towns, which will create pvp in itself.

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[Vlastslav]

I'm sorry but I cannot reason with biased simple minded people, please excuse me for not responding to your future posts Cataclyst. You clearly do not understand the argument or the points being made in this thread and are just posting to post.

[Cataclyst]

It was YOUR words I quoted, not mine tool.

[Mirage]

I consider CTF and DD PvP events.

They most definately are PvP events, any event where you can attack someone is a PvP event.

I still don't understand a damn thing.

By saying that you truly do not understand whats going on in this thread or how events actually effect overall shard pvp. You think this is about TG field pvp and that we cant find enough of it so we blame events. That could not be farther from the truth. Your suggestion of going red does not help shard pvp whatsoever, and probably hurts it more. Going stat loss just limits how much pvp your character can actually engage in. While a war'd blue can fight almost anyone, anywhere.

If this isn't about TG field pvp then who is it out, because TG is the only guild bitching about field pvp? And if it's so far from the truth that you can't find enough then what exactly is this thread for? You're contradicting yourself all over, and just like in IRC you're making no sense like usual. This whole thread is a bust IMO....arguing with Vlast is pointless. Just for the record I really have no personal issues with you Vlast, but you're just being a moron.

I'm sorry but I cannot reason with biased simple minded people, please excuse me for not responding to your future posts Cataclyst. You clearly do not understand the argument or the points being made in this thread and are just posting to post.

I think he understands the argument completely, and made some valid points and re-iterated a lot of things people have already been saying.

The bottom line (whether you want to realize it or not) is that taking out PvP events/taking out non-PvP events/adding PvP events/adding non-PvP events is not going to make people start fielding. No events = Less Population, Less Population = Less Field PvP.

[BlackFoot]

We had a large 2 hour even this mornin with about 25 players in the fire dungeon. There was no field pvp.

[Cataclyst]

I think Syntax is correct, arguing with you is pointless Vlast. You pitch an idea, but don't want to hear any counter arguements to your suggested change(s).

[MatronDeWinter]

I think Syntax is correct, arguing with you is pointless Vlast. You pitch an idea, but don't want to hear any counter arguements to your suggested change(s).

Honestly, you have not really put out any counter arguments other than "OMG BUT PVP IN BRIT GY WHEN UR RED IS GOOD". Which is fine, there was great pvp at brit the other night, but there was also no events going on at that time.

You turned your argument into a sort of attack on the style of TG and others (MHK for instance). This is not really about PvP ego's, as much as it is about how events effect PvP. An effect which is virtually undeniable.