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Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:29 pm
by Hemperor
Log of Twenty-Fourth Open House 3-12-99 wrote:Glamdring> *El_Barto* 2 Questions: With the new changes to stealth, you're basicly making it useless to the thief (reveal on snoop). How are thieves supposed to survive? And why not make the Chameleon potion invulnerable to AllNames? If not, it defeats the purpose.
DD> First off, we don't want stealth to be to antisocial a skill. And we are going to work hard to make sure that it is a viable skill but isn't useful only for stealing and killing. We've made several revisions on Test Center even since the update stuff was posted on the website... those changes are no longer exactly current.
Patch Note: Mar. 28, 1999 wrote:Stealth
Shoving past someone while stealthy will reveal you.
Snooping will reveal you.
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 4:34 pm
by poogoblin
He's right, I've run across this patch a couple times but didn't mention anything as it is a fairly gamebreaking concept for theives and the more nerfing we do of anything but hally mages the less fun it is...(no I do not have a thief)
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:14 pm
by Mikel123
I do remember stealthing past someone and being revealed. Can't say I remember becoming revealed from snooping. Does anyone else remember this?
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:19 pm
by Hemperor
The HOC chat leading up to the patch note is pretty convincing IMO
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:24 pm
by Krats
I "remember" this, but my memory has been hashed with UO:R and sleep in the past 10 years -_-
I have seen these patch notes via Wayback Machine
Patch Note: Mar. 28, 1999 wrote: wrote:
Stealth
Shoving past someone while stealthy will reveal you.
Snooping will reveal you.
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:03 pm
by Hoots
I thought the patch was actions that revealed you when hidden would reveal you when stealthed. Ill try and find it.
You could always hide then snoop afaik
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:08 pm
by Arkosh Kovasz
Snooping while hidden reveals you really?This couldn't have been accurate for the whole era. That sounds a little crazy, but who knows.....
P.S. Not saying it isn't true, just saying that it sounds like stealing would have been so damn difficult.
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:12 pm
by Hemperor
I believe it is only while stealthed.
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:40 pm
by archaicsubrosa77
revealed while stealthing not while hiding...so you would have to rehide before snooping
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 7:41 pm
by poogoblin
So you can hide...stealth up to someone (wait for timer) hit hide, then steal?
I don't remember anything like this, but then again I rarely played my thief.
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:54 am
by fatmagic
I heavily played a thief in the T2A (prior to UO:R) - and I KNOW I could snoop without being revealed. I did it all the time at the bank in Delucia, and outside Delucia. This had to be around 2000 or so. I think more needs to be dug up on this.
EDIT: I could be wrong and maybe was just imagining things. But I was pretty sure it didn't break stealth. Still searching.
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:02 am
by Derrick
Thanks for looking into this, I'm hesitant to take any action on this unless we're certain.
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:17 am
by fatmagic
According to Stratics STEALTH page, before and after April 2000 - snooping while STEALTHED breaks it. Snooping while HIDDEN keeps you hidden - but not while stealthing.
October, 1999 -
http://web.archive.org/web/199910222311 ... tealth.htm
March, 2000 -
http://web.archive.org/web/200003012325 ... tealth.htm
June, 2000 -
http://web.archive.org/web/200007110620 ... alth.shtml
If this is true - then as a Thief in order to stay hidden while stealing, you must HIDE > STEALTH > HIDE > SNOOP -- effectively 20 seconds before you can snoop anything. Blah.
BUT - I haven't been able to access the official UO sites on Archive.org to confirm or deny this. If anyone else finds anything there, post it here
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:25 am
by Hemperor
I had some serious trouble trying to access anything on archive yesterday
Re: Snooping while Stealthed should reveal
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:21 pm
by Kraarug
Derrick wrote:Thanks for looking into this, I'm hesitant to take any action on this unless we're certain.
With Hemps post and this quote from the stealth page it should be pretty air tight.
Any of the actions which normally unhides you still will. (including snooping)
http://web.archive.org/web/199910012205 ... tealth.htm