UO Second Age

I thought this was brought up, didn't it prevent you from constantly going between via "Your spirit lacks the cohesion to travel at this time" or something?
I remember this, but not if it was in during t2a or UOR..
Anyone remember this also?
Was it also for gates or just the Recdu/Recsu teleporter?

platy wrote:I thought this was brought up, didn't it prevent you from constantly going between via "Your spirit lacks the cohesion to travel at this time" or something?
I remember this, but not if it was in during t2a or UOR..
Anyone remember this also?
Was it also for gates or just the Recdu/Recsu teleporter?

Yeah, I've got this on my list. I think it was for all moongates as well, and was put in to assist in stopping duping. This is only my interpretation of what I read, without the specifics I've been hesitant to take any action.

There's also an inaccuracy with world moongates.

Whenever you "run through" the moongate it you shouldn't automatically send you through like that, they are supposed to work like the gate travel spell moongates. You must stand on the gate for like 500 miliseconds to go through, or double click it while standing next to it.

Right now the world gates act like the RunUO default moongates. OSI was never like that, and yea I remember the cohesion on world moongates as well as the recdu /recsu teleporter.

It was definatly on the moongates, I dont remember it on the moonglow TP. But on moongates.

Anyone have the specific patch for the moongate "gump" change? I remember it but Im unsure of the timeline, and cant seem to find it at the moment.

I do remember them adding the recdu/recsu delay, then people started duping (well "blackholing their player") at the entrance to the cave in the back of Delucia.

i think this gate patch came pretty late in my UO lifetime, please make sure it was during T2A

thanks

The gump came in with Ilshenar in UO3d.

UO Team
14 Mar 2001 00:00:00 EST
http://www.uoherald.com/news/news.php?newsid=652

Players will be able to use a menu system on the public moongates to select destination, including which facet.

Slightly OT but we should not have the descriptions of the other side on the public moongates either, they came in Feb 2000.

Server Publish
UO Team 23 Feb 2000 00:00:00 EST
http://www.uoherald.com/news/news.php?newsid=597

Moongates
Single clicking the left mouse button on a moongate will give you a description of what lies through the gate. This will allow you to know where the gate is currently going without having to jump through them over and over again until you reach your destination. This will help improve server performance as less players will need to “jump” through moongates.

Here is OSI's moongate script from 1998: Three things we learn from this:

1) You can only double click the moongate when you're on the moongate itself (see: on use event)

2) There is no delay of 500ms whatsoever unless this what implemented later on. (see: enterrange event)
I could not find a single patch note between 1997 and 1999 speaking about a delay being added.

3) The lookedat (looked at=single click) event is not implemented, this corresponds to Caswallon's find

Batlin wrote:Three things we learn from this:

1) You can only double click the moongate when you're on the moongate itself (see: on use event)

2) There is no delay of 500ms whatsoever unless this what implemented later on. (see: enterrange event)
I could not find a single patch note between 1997 and 1999 speaking about a delay being added.

3) The lookedat (looked at=single click) event is not implemented, this corresponds to Caswallon's find

You forgot 4.

4) OSI prefers to use excessive switch/case methods instead of an array and arbitrary value.

Just found this:

T2A Travel Delay
UO Team
11 May 2000 00:00:00 EST
The voice triggered teleporters will have the same delay placed on them as player cast gates. Players will now be required to wait a minimum two seconds when traveling via this method. Attempting to travel to and from the T2A lands multiple times will cause this wait period to grow longer. The waiting period will cap at approximately 32 seconds before resetting to two seconds.

http://www.uoherald.com/news/archives.p ... t=pubNotes

I believe, yet am without specifics at this time, that both the ability to click on the moongate to see where it's going, and to double click the gate when next to it were both added explicitly in T2A era patches that postdate the demo.

The delay on entering a moongate could likely have been related to synchronization between sub-servers.

The T2A Travel Delay comes well after our intended timeframe, but i believe the "Your spirit lacks the cohesion to travel at this time" predates this change. Any ideas or recollections on the delay between moongate uses would be great.

Batlin wrote:Three things we learn from this:

1) You can only double click the moongate when you're on the moongate itself (see: on use event)

2) There is no delay of 500ms whatsoever unless this what implemented later on. (see: enterrange event)
I could not find a single patch note between 1997 and 1999 speaking about a delay being added.

3) The lookedat (looked at=single click) event is not implemented, this corresponds to Caswallon's find

This is the way I recall moongates working also, I remember gating other player's tamed dragons post-UO:R and I don't recall having to stand 1 tile behind the gate and being forced to receive melee attacks from the dragon - gating dragons was not a dangerous this to do, like it is here.

Regarding cohesion - I read something on this a LONG time ago on stratics which said that the delay on using moongates would double every time you failed to use the moongate (lacking cohesion). However, I don't believe this went 2,4,8,16,32,32(cap). That would have been far more noticeable than what actually happened in practice (imagine waiting 31s and then failing, and doing that twice in a row - it just didn't happen). What I believe happened was more like this:

2s until next moongate use
[player clicks moongate 1s later]
2-1*2 = 2s until next moongate use
[player clicks moongate 0.5s later]
(2-0.5)*2=3s until next moongate use
[player tries again 0.5s later]
(3-0.5)*2=5s until next moongate use
[player waits 4 seconds, tries again]
(5-4)*2=2s until next moongate use

This is entirely speculation based off what I have read on moongate use though.

Finally, the reason I even searched for this thread, was a little piece of era accuracy I recalled:
When you are in a guarded area, and jump in a moongate that goes to an unguarded area, you should receive a gump asking "Are you sure you want to go through this moongate?". I can't remember the exact wording on the moongate, but we definitely don't have this here. It only appeared on gates from a guarded region to an unguarded.

This caused a double issue when trying to use gates while overloaded. Even if you managed to walk onto the moongate, you'd then recieve the gump, which was impossible to click with an item in your hands.

Bump for era accuracy.

nightshark wrote:Finally, the reason I even searched for this thread, was a little piece of era accuracy I recalled:
When you are in a guarded area, and jump in a moongate that goes to an unguarded area, you should receive a gump asking "Are you sure you want to go through this moongate?". I can't remember the exact wording on the moongate, but we definitely don't have this here. It only appeared on gates from a guarded region to an unguarded.

This caused a double issue when trying to use gates while overloaded. Even if you managed to walk onto the moongate, you'd then recieve the gump, which was impossible to click with an item in your hands.

Bump for era accuracy.

Completely forgot about this! I thought you could still hit the OK while carrying stuff in your hands though. Might be mistaken.

When stepping into a gate that goes from a guard-protected region to an unguarded region, you are now given a confirmation window to ensure that you don't step into a trap.

http://wiki.uosecondage.com/?title=Ulti ... 12/09/1997

Rammar wrote:Completely forgot about this! I thought you could still hit the OK while carrying stuff in your hands though. Might be mistaken.

When stepping into a gate that goes from a guard-protected region to an unguarded region, you are now given a confirmation window to ensure that you don't step into a trap.

http://wiki.uosecondage.com/?title=Ulti ... 12/09/1997

Nice find.

Try using gumps with something in your hands; it's a client side thing, so unless they patched the client at some stage, it still won't work.

Nice discussion.....too bad fishing didn't get the same before it got nerfed...... And I remember the"body lacks cohesion" thing. Made you much more wary of gate hoping as you might get stuck on one side!