UO Second Age

I would like to just raise some questions to the Second Age Community to see if anyone else has the same feelings as me.

I was caught using scripts to mine for my blacksmith early this morning. I have been warned before about it but did not heed the warning and continued to do it. The reason I did not stop is because other players that are playing UO for Healing Mages, Dexers, Thieves, Tamers, Treasure Hunters, and so on get to freely AFK macro to their little hearts content but not us trade skill workers. We have to sit at the computer every waking minute to chop trees, mine ore, and fish in the deep (this can be bypassed per the server rules and will touch on this later). I was told the concern is to keep the Second Age Economy in balance. How is it balanced when all of those classes I listed can reap 100x more benefits then a blacksmith/carpenter/bower/tinker? We don’t get to make magical gear that compares to a Vanq weapon you just scored off of an Ancient Wyrn with your 2 dragons or the bard who just provocates his creatures to do his biddings and walks over to enjoy his booty. Yes these characters do take resources to produce but you are completely allowed to macro them unattended. How is that fair that some are allowed to macro but not others? Where is the balance they are trying so hard to keep by preventing me from mining the ingots I need to master my skill?

Ok back to the deep water fishing. Razor macros are allowed but deep water is not. Example: Launch your ship, sail into the deep. Now create a new macro in Razor and name it fishing. Now start recording you’re fishing adventure and tasks. Once you get the process recorded now start modifying it with some logic (IF, ELSE, Convert Click Types, and so on) and now your using an approved macro program to get unapproved deep sea resources. Is that legal? Shit, I’m 50% by the books. So how is macroing being policed? It is a repetitive task that has to be done and will always look as if it is macroed and truthfully it probably is. We are intelligent people with computers in front of us. Why would we waste hours of our lives doing a repeated task? Now we can obtain the required skill while we sleep, do homework, visit with the family, or real work; then we can play are meaningful character and enjoy the game UO. I am sure 99% of the people playing on Second Age or any free shard has completed at least one character that has had many hours pushed into them.

I love to see how everyone feels no matter how bad it is; let the flaming begin.

Dazedman
’97-’02 ATL, Cats and Great Lakes

Non gathering skill users have to be at the computer to make the gold they make

However they make it, you can afk the crafting, not the gathering. makes sense to me.

Purge wrote:Non gathering skill users have to be at the computer to make the gold they make

However they make it, you can afk the crafting, not the gathering. makes sense to me.

The crafting is the easiest and most enjoyable part. Guess I just dont agree. Oh well, its a great server no matter what!

You don't have to be actually clicking to mine, chop or whatever, you just have to be within eyeshot. Make one character go do something active, or just keep the screen(s) up to make sure you are not being checked on. Crafting also isn't a problem, it's the resource gathering.

brandonsantacruz wrote:You don't have to be actually clicking to mine, chop or whatever, you just have to be within eyeshot. Make one character go do something active, or just keep the screen(s) up to make sure you are not being checked on. Crafting also isn't a problem, it's the resource gathering.

PlayUO etc. arnt allowed here iirc, so that would be one hell of a razor macro

dazedman wrote:We don’t get to make magical gear that compares to a Vanq weapon you just scored off of an Ancient Wyrn with your 2 dragons or the bard who just provocates his creatures to do his biddings and walks over to enjoy his booty.

For the record you can't macro taming and it is probably the hardest skill in game to gm. Provocation takes a good week of solid macroing to get gm + you'd need magery to do anything with it. Bards can only make like 10k an hour, which is a lot less than crafters can make.

You also can macro blacksmithing with razor.
You can mine non afk with razor(set it up so all you gotta do is like press f2 to change the location, or if you are real smart make it so it automatically changes to different locations, it can be done with razor) so all you gotta do is watch a movie and every minute or so turn to check on macro and make sure its running fine and no gms bust you.

Anyways I hope I answered some of your questions and welcome to the shard.

I was told the concern is to keep the Second Age Economy in balance.

I don't quite understand how you fail to see the logic in this. Resources are instant money -- whether you sell them straight out, or process them into other salable items. The only way you could really justify being able to run a script so that you could mine AFK, would be if it were also legal to run a script so that you could run through Destard or whatever, kill dragons, loot gold, bank, blah blah, loop. Thankfully, that is illegal (and pretty damn impossible via Razor).

You are more than welcome to AFK macro skill training. Yes, that includes all crafting skills. Bear in mind there are other skills outside of the crafting department that require resources, and these people are not allowed to AFK farm their resources either.

No, you can't craft l33t vanqs, but there is a constant demand for GM goods. I bought my castle from smithing alone.

Bards can only make like 10k an hour, which is a lot less than crafters can make.

You sir, are a piss-poor bard.

I GMed a miner and macrod

Purge wrote: PlayUO etc. arnt allowed here iirc, so that would be one hell of a razor macro

I've got some pretty nifty razor macros for mining and lumber harvesting. They are quite intricate and long.

I'm constantly tabbing between my game windows while I watch a movie or draw or something. Long as you aren't walking away from your computer while doing this you are fine. I've never been told I was breaking the rules and I harvest a lot of resources.

What kills me is the unattended town macroing. Its what makes people like Lamer so effective

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Bards can only make like 10k an hour, which is a lot less than crafters can make.

You sir, are a piss-poor bard.[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing becuase on Catskills i had a bard that I was making a few million in about 4-6 hours.

Thank you for all the input. I guess I am going to have to get extemely creative with razor so I do not have to do so many clicks to mine. This will be a long 4 days wait...

dazedman wrote:quote]

Bards can only make like 10k an hour, which is a lot less than crafters can make.

You sir, are a piss-poor bard.

I was thinking the same thing becuase on Catskills i had a bard that I was making a few million in about 4-6 hours.[/quote]


you sir are a great bard

tell me your secrets sire

Dont Provoke Zombies you'll make more .. HAHAHA jsut kidding ,,, slayers for the win.. and i agree with the rules and the comments of coffee and MrT there should be no afk macroing of resources..

My sense has always been that the real fear isn't using Razor macros to gather resources, but that an open door policy on resource gathering and macros would encourage people to use programs like Easy UO which grossly imbalance the game.

I do a lot of macro mining while wathcing movies, doingg school work, m surfing the web, etc. I've got a big circular miner that harvests all the tiles in my immediate area that's effectivve but not terribly efficient. I could mine a LOT more ingots by hand because my macro doesn't move when the resources run dryy so I waste a lot of time dry mining spots that aren't producing.

In this way I dont' think macro mining is bad because it's not very efficient, so it all comes out in the wash. I'm also easy prey for ore thieves, which I accept as a cost of doing business.

I harvest and process wood in the same way. It's terribly ineffieicnet for the same reasons, but it's better than nothing. I fo one would like to see the ban on gathering via macro lifted but I also compeltely understand the rationale behind it. As long as Easy UO is out there it'sb best just ot have a 0 tolerance policy and eliminate the problems.

Easy UO doesnt work on RunUO shards anyways.

And the guys that run Easy UO are not fans of people using it on private shards where it isnt wanted either.Other than the fact that they dont care about OSI rules they are a pretty good bunch of guys.

And personally I dont mind them not caring about OSI......


lol

i mined all my igs by hand to gm smith and stock my vendors
i have yet to cry about it