UO Second Age

is it possible and unlootable to put a secure on the front steps.

Seems like a no brainer to put your secure here (with a key in it) if it is, hence the name, actuallly secure? (talking small house)

Is it possible and any reason not to do it?

Thanks

Can't be done.

cant be done anymore, the ones you see were done early and are grandfathered

BlackFoot wrote:cant be done anymore, the ones you see were done early and are grandfathered

that explains it.. i saw a lot of those.

I think its lame that you can't do that anymore. Why can't you?

And if they removed that ability... why not remove everyones?

StDrahcir wrote:I think its lame that you can't do that anymore. Why can't you?

And if they removed that ability... why not remove everyones?

hence grandfathering.
and also not penalizing people for the servers change

keuse wrote:

StDrahcir wrote:I think its lame that you can't do that anymore. Why can't you?

And if they removed that ability... why not remove everyones?

hence grandfathering.
and also not penalizing people for the servers change

that doesnt make sense... .t2a accurate. it either is or it isnt right?

StDrahcir wrote:I think its lame that you can't do that anymore. Why can't you?

And if they removed that ability... why not remove everyones?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with not being able to do this anymore. This is actually quite similar to the bug on OSI during '98-'99 where you could get a secured container under the house sign. This was later fixed, however the bugged containers were still there. A friend of mine got a 72 hour ban for getting caught in the process while doing this bug.

Unlike EA we don't ban people for our own mistakes. We take a grandfather approach to it quite similar to "some" of the features on EA servers. For example, houses that were placed "illegally" was not removed they were technically "grandfathered". The same goes here for our mistakes. There is no reason to punish someone for our own mistakes, unless they are severely harming the server in some shape or form.

Hoots wrote:that doesnt make sense... .t2a accurate. it either is or it isnt right?

I agree w/ this statement 100%. Yes, granted they were your mistakes, but why give someone an unfair advantage by having a secure container on your front doorsteps.

There are many many examples of grandfathering of items in the game. Black dye tubs are an excellent one, created though an exploit no less, but OSI did not delete them.

The secures on steps may eventually be removed, like were done for example with tents in 1999 after a short period of grandfathering.

We plan not to allow lock-downs on steps at all as that was accurate to era, but it's something we just haven't gotten to yet. There are so many aspects to UO and we aim for 100% accuracy and are constantly working on all these issues.

Derrick wrote:There are many many examples of grandfathering of items in the game. Black dye tubs are an excellent one, created though an exploit no less, but OSI did not delete them.

The secures on steps may eventually be removed, like were done for example with tents in 1999 after a short period of grandfathering.

We plan not to allow lock-downs on steps at all as that was accurate to era, but it's something we just haven't gotten to yet. There are so many aspects to UO and we aim for 100% accuracy and are constantly working on all these issues.

there was a way to get lock down items on the steps. i remember being able to lock down a chest inside the house and lock it. then place an item on the steps where you wanted it (not in doorway i think tho). then you drag the item without putting it in your backpack to the locked "locked down" chest. the item would imediately drop where it was originally place on the steps and it would lock down. dont know the dates but i did do this.

This sounds like something that may have worked after the Lock down changes, when anything you put in a locked down chest was locked down within the chests and counted against total lockdowns against the house.

Interesting though, this is just my guess so if you have anymore details on this, please post them.

Here is the patch note that I am referring to involving lock downs under house signs.

April 14th update Apr 14 1999 11:01AM CST

You will no longer be able to lock things down under your house sign.

A bug that I also remmeber being able to place locked down items in your pack.

Dec 21 Publish Dec 22 1999 3:06PM CST

You will no longer be able to place locked down items into your backpack.

That was all that I could find related to lock down bugs and the only two that I am familar with.

Derrick wrote:, when anything you put in a locked down chest was locked down within the chests and counted against total lockdowns against the house.

Please dear God do not implement these lockdown changes.

Slade wrote:

Derrick wrote:, when anything you put in a locked down chest was locked down within the chests and counted against total lockdowns against the house.

Please dear God do not implement these lockdown changes.

We don't plan to. This was generally regarded as a horrible change to the housing system.

the specific patch that implemented this was:
Phase II (Lock downs and Secures) Nov 23 1999 2:25PM CST