A Little confused about attacking a thief newbie questions

[Hyder]

Question # 1 - Say a thief steals from me at the bank and goes grey, but escapes from me before I can kill him. When I see him again at the bank and he is blue can I freely attack him without getting guard wacked?

Question # 2 – Lets say you are 100% sure someone is a thief but they have not stolen anything from you, and they are blue can you freely attack them in town? Or is it that they just can’t give a murder count?

Question # 3 – Ok Say I’m at the GY I see a known thief, I attack him. I go grey to him, will I go grey to everyone else?

Thank u

[Derrick]

Question # 1 - Say a thief steals from me at the bank and goes grey, but escapes from me before I can kill him. When I see him again at the bank and he is blue can I freely attack him without getting guard wacked?

Question # 2 – Lets say you are 100% sure someone is a thief but they have not stolen anything from you, and they are blue can you freely attack them in town? Or is it that they just can’t give a murder count?

Question # 3 – Ok Say I’m at the GY I see a known thief, I attack him. I go grey to him, will I go grey to everyone else?

Thank u

1) He will be grey to you until he dies (perma-gray) if he steals from you. If he is not caught, he will appear blue but will turn grey (safely in town) when attacked.

2) If the player is blue, and does not have a perma gray flag from stealing from you or someone else, the guards will respond to him being attacked.

3) If he's not perma grey it will be a criminal action and you will be flagged

In all of the above cases (and in any other case), killing a member of the thieves guild will not make you eligible for a murder count. Thief guild members cannot give murder counts. Don't however assume that anyone that steals from you is a member of the thieves guild. Anyone can steal from players who are not presently blue, wheter criminal, or in an enemy guild.

[Proselyte]

I think so many thieves (to their credit!) take advantage of people not knowing the specifics of the permagrey system.

There were so many times on OSI where I could have killed a thief but didn't know

[Hyder]

So just to make sure i understand this:

Thief is in the thief guild (prema-grey) but appears blue walking around the bank. didnt steal anything, just hanging around talking to himself. I know for a fact that he is a thief. I walk up, pull my big hally and attack him. He is blue to me, am I going to get guard wacked.

[Faust]

- Thief FAQS -
- A thief can only be perma gray if he stole something. If he is not perma gray you will get guard whacked.
- If he runs away and comes back without dying he will appear blue to everyone besides those whom he stole from while being perma gray.
- Thieves cannot give murder counts.
- Perma gray status disappears when the thief dies.


Tip:
- You are able to check if someone is a perma gray thief by attempting to steal from him even with 0.0 stealing skill. The reason this is possible is because you are not required to be in the thieves guild when stealing from criminals, murderers, or npcs.

However, this may have not been implemented into the shard yet. I brought it up awhile ago when the thieving skill became accurate but unsure if it was ever fixed.

[Derrick]

So just to make sure i understand this:

Thief is in the thief guild (prema-grey) but appears blue walking around the bank. didnt steal anything, just hanging around talking to himself. I know for a fact that he is a thief. I walk up, pull my big hally and attack him. He is blue to me, am I going to get guard wacked.

Yes.

However, if he had stolen something (from anyone innocent) since the last time he died and therefore did have a permagray flag, he would turn grey when you attacked him and you would not be guard whacked.

[Mjolnir]

Another word of advice-

This may not be the case here, but be wary of some players who may have alternate characters of the same name made just for the purpose of handing out counts.

ie

"Hey, I just saw him steal from a guy 3 minutes ago, he's definitely perma-grey!"
*attack*
*guard whacked*
"Wtf?"

I honestly haven't seen that sort of lame play happen on this server from any self-respecting thieves, but it can happen.

[Faust]

That is why my tip to check for perma flagged thieves should be fixed if it wasn't already.

[Clark_Kent]

Another word of advice-

This may not be the case here, but be wary of some players who may have alternate characters of the same name made just for the purpose of handing out counts.

ie

"Hey, I just saw him steal from a guy 3 minutes ago, he's definitely perma-grey!"
*attack*
*guard whacked*
"Wtf?"

I honestly haven't seen that sort of lame play happen on this server from any self-respecting thieves, but it can happen.

As an insider, I can assure you that not for this sole purpose alone, many of us do in fact have multiple characters with the same name and varying skill sets and thieves guild status.

Also, the more known the thief is, the more likely he is able to defend himself from attack because we typically do not use cut-and-dry town thief templates, your safest bet is typically to call for the guards.

A further note, magic is very diluted within town--attempting to attack a thief by the use of magic, will likely not result in his death due to the lessened damage. Unless you have an accompanying melee skill, or he is low on health, the thief can use this opportunity to actually retaliate and kill you in the process without risking his thieves guild status. You will flag grey to thief as soon as you show aggression.

However, if you are a competent fighter, you can use a thieves perma-grey status to your advantage if he is harassing you. You can camp a perma-grey at the healers, forcing them to leave town to resurrect.

[MatronDeWinter]

You can camp a perma-grey at the healers, forcing them to leave town to resurrect.

But that is in very poor taste, regardless of the profession of the individual.

[Cutpurse]

You can't "camp a perma grey at the healers" due to the simple fact that, if you are perma grey and die... you are no longer perma grey.

Also, I believe there was a stealing change a while back that made stealing an aggressive act. If you are perma and get attacked by some random person, then you can defend yourself fine. If you steal from someone and THEY attack you.. if you kill them it'll earn you a count and a kicking from the thieves guild.

[Clark_Kent]

You can't "camp a perma grey at the healers" due to the simple fact that, if you are perma grey and die... you are no longer perma grey.

I can reproduce this effect if this is indeed a bug and not how the mechanics are intended to operate. I have been reskilled after going permagrey to a character, by said character as recently as last week.

If you steal from someone and THEY attack you.. if you kill them it'll earn you a count and a kicking from the thieves guild.

This claim is not accurate under the current stealing mechanics. You may defend yourself and kill them and retain your thieves guild status.

Also, I believe there was a stealing change a while back that made stealing an aggressive act. If you are perma and get attacked by some random person, then you can defend yourself fine.

This is correct.

[XaN]

You can camp a perma-grey at the healers, forcing them to leave town to resurrect.

But that is in very poor taste, regardless of the profession of the individual.

I believe he mentioned something about Harassing you at the bank... see, it's a tactic really. A tactic to make you piss off someone else ^^

Also, if anyone is res killing its either because they got it worse from that very same guy or like most human beings, he's just taking out his aggression on people because 'people' do it to him. I do not condone either, however I do see that point of view and understand why they do it.

There's a saying for this but I can't remember it so I will just say this.... if you don't want to get res killed over and over again by some griefer or by some victim that you've been griefing and the tables have turned, leave.

It's not his fault he's so annoyed... its the 'peoples' fault. If you are accepting of most the exscuses humans make up for themselves acting the way they do then you can most certainly accept some venting from a fellow gamer.