UO Second Age

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New Poison/Cure System: From the Demo
New Housing System: From Mid-99

Why???

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I know that polls aren't going to do anything to change the Admin's minds. In fact, I would hope that they do not. I just wanted to make one out of curiosity.

Why would they bring in Housing from nearly when UO:Ren was started? If we are securely within the T2A timeframe then I don't understand implementing such dynamics as making valuable items newbied.

Really? Newbied house deeds? Thieves were thieves for a reason, and they were meant to be played as such. People act like thieves are hackers of the UO World... nothing unfair about taking advantage of people being sloppy with deeds.

Now IDOCs will be nothing but guys standing around spamming last object/last target in death robes because they won't fear dying and losing their deed.

Agreed.

"Stealing" has always been designed to be either an extremely low profit yield investment or an extremely high one in UO.

On the one hand, at most, you're usually getting gold in only the double digits or some regs, crafting materials, etc.

Rarely will you find a player whose placed an extremely valuable weapon or piece of armor in plain view of their backpacks.

Even more rarely? The house deed.

Any logic behind making house deeds newbified back in 99 was one purely of profit on the part of the game developers.

Think about it. You have OSI Shards with several thousand (if not more) players on each and, doubtless, there were hundreds of players bitching because they were getting their hard-earned house deeds stolen by people who are merely taking advantage of the available, if not encouraged game mechanics and then the "Theives" get treated as though they had, literally, hacked into that player's account and cleaned out their banks and houses before erasing their characters.

So what then? You've got current customers bitching and threatening to cancel their account, thusly taking potential profits from game developers. When enough people do this, the company must respond likewise so as to make sure their profit yields meet the status quo.

The same can be said for the implementation of the Trammel/Fellucia system. I can remember the Bulletin Boards being filled with stupid newbies bitching about being PKed.

"That's just my opinion. I could be wrong."

i guess i dont read to much into all the forum areas but could u xeplain to me what the praposed changes are and what they are now?

Godfather

First post http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8185

As it is now, you can steal house deeds off players.

I'm not too sure about how the poisoning system works right now.

Voted yes on both. I really don't mind either way as far as the poisoning goes, as I do remember it being both ways but not sure which part of the era I remember from. But I do remember camping IDOC's on my thief, or hanging out by the architect in town stealing deeds. This I would really hate to see changed.

Theres been a lot of disinformation being thrown about on this. House deeds were newbied very early in the T2A era, in April/May 1999, UO:R came out in April of 2000, almost a year later.

I'm not going to be able to chanse down all these postings in the forums and correct them but this propaganda intentional or not makes it very hard to discuss this proposal rationally.

This is the OSI Patch that finalized Newbie House deeds:
http://wiki.uosecondage.com/index.php?t ... 05/25/1999

My apologies then. It was not my intention to pump out disinformation, it was merely a misunderstanding on my part. In all honesty, I don't know what time span for T2A is considered to be. Thanks for the helpful link.

[Edit] http://wiki.uosecondage.com/index.php?t ... atch_Notes

10/01/98 - T2A Starts
5/25/99 - Newbied House Deeds
3/16/00 - T2A Ends

17 Months Total
Newbied House Deeds come into play after 7 Months, which is relatively early in the T2A era.

whoops.. read the poll wrong.. ahwell.. I think housing shouldn't change.. i don't care about the poisoning though

Ahh so it was both ways, I thought so. Oh well, not a big deal. I prefer era-accuracy > preference anyway.

Arkon wrote:Ahh so it was both ways, I thought so. Oh well, not a big deal. I prefer era-accuracy > preference anyway.

The irony being that both methods of housing (nub house deeds and vica versa) are era accurate.

Doh.

Accidently voted no they weren't fine when I meant yes they are fine..

Too tired

Say people start abusing the newbie house deed feature with enough proof of such would the change be reverted?

Mephistopheles wrote:

Arkon wrote:Ahh so it was both ways, I thought so. Oh well, not a big deal. I prefer era-accuracy > preference anyway.

The irony being that both methods of housing (nub house deeds and vica versa) are era accurate.

Ya, I thought about that after I posted - it's true. I guess we're trying to lean towards specific half of the era, as opposed to using bits and pieces from each?

I still prefer non-newbie deeds, but definitely not a game breaker. Regardless, I don't envy Derrick for having to make decisions like this, heh.

I prefer lootable house deeds too, I remember being happy when they made them noob back in May '99, but the unique experience of buying your first house and running terrified across the map with it looking for a spot to place was lost forever.

However we are trying to tighten up our time-frame some and reduce as much as is reasonable the inconsistencies.