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Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:35 am
by Mephistopheles
With the new change to weapon speed coming up (reducing the Katana to 48), which weapon would you prefer? Which one do you think would win in a fight?

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:25 am
by Pro
I use a mage because I don't suck at pvp.

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:26 am
by Daolin
have a link to these changes?

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:36 am
by Mephistopheles
http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic. ... 9&start=45
Derrick wrote:Wow, yep. Great lead Ronk, thanks!

I think just about everything we have besides the stratics page that's in question points towards the katana being a speed of 48.

Interestingly, the 24 times per minute comes out to exactly 2.5 secs/swing, which further defends the 0.25 sec granularity of the combat swing timer as well, which is also refreshing.
Using:
(33 dex+100)(58 speed)(60 seconds)/ 15000=24 <-- Should equal 30 BTW. Guess this person wasn't too good at simple arithmetic.

(200)(48)(60)/15000 = X x5
(200)(53)(60)/15000 = X x3

38.4 Swings/Minute (for 100 dex) for the Katana @ a minimum of 192 damage if every hit lands
42.4 Swings/Minute for the Kryss @ 127 damage

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:54 pm
by Kaivan
Mephistopheles wrote:http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic. ... 9&start=45
Derrick wrote:Wow, yep. Great lead Ronk, thanks!

I think just about everything we have besides the stratics page that's in question points towards the katana being a speed of 48.

Interestingly, the 24 times per minute comes out to exactly 2.5 secs/swing, which further defends the 0.25 sec granularity of the combat swing timer as well, which is also refreshing.
Using:
(33 dex+100)(58 speed)(60 seconds)/ 15000=24 <-- Should equal 30 BTW. Guess this person wasn't too good at simple arithmetic.

(200)(48)(60)/15000 = X x5
(200)(53)(60)/15000 = X x3

38.4 Swings/Minute (for 100 dex) for the Katana @ a minimum of 192 damage if every hit lands
42.4 Swings/Minute for the Kryss @ 127 damage
While it was poorly worded, I think the point that he was trying to make is that he did some simple testing and found that at 33 stamina he swung 24 times with a katana. I'm guessing he's saying that the particular equation that gives a result of 24 with a speed of 58 would clearly be impossible, and thus incorrect, when compared with the empirical testing results. More appropriately, an elaboration on the subject explains the results much better:

Given a known result of 24 swings per minute at 33 dexterity, the input speed for the equation would necessarily need to be approximately 45-47 as shown by the equations: 60 / (15000 / ((100 + 33) * 45)) = 23.94 swings and 60 / (15000 / ((100 + 33) * 48)) = 25.004 swings. If a speed of 58 is applied in the equation we receive the results: 60 / (15000 / ((100 + 33) * 45)) = 30.856 swings which is 25% faster than the observed data. Thus, the recorded speed of 58 for a katana is too fast, and a speed of 46 is the ideal speed to replicate the observed results.

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:48 pm
by Kraarug
A popularity test is not going to prove your point.

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:18 pm
by KydVicious
Mephistopheles wrote:With the new change to weapon speed coming up (reducing the Katana to 48), which weapon would you prefer? Which one do you think would win in a fight?
Is this going to happen "for sure" or is it just being discussed and thought about?

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:55 pm
by Kraarug
KydVicious wrote:
Mephistopheles wrote:With the new change to weapon speed coming up (reducing the Katana to 48), which weapon would you prefer? Which one do you think would win in a fight?
Is this going to happen "for sure" or is it just being discussed and thought about?
It seems that 48 is era accurate so it should happen for sure.

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:04 pm
by KydVicious
Anyone know what the kryss' speed is rated at?

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:11 pm
by Derrick
This (48) will be in next publish.

The Kryss has a speed of 53, and there will be no change.

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:55 am
by archaicsubrosa77
Are any other weapons going to be affected?

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:02 am
by Chaos
dout it .. i can't see why seeing the problem is over only the of kat. kryss will now me faster by 5 points i belive (meaning kat. swing speed will be decreased) and kryss will will remain the same

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:13 am
by Ronk
archaicsubrosa77 wrote:Are any other weapons going to be affected?
I doubt it. The main issue was that many believed the katana speed rating listed at stratics was incorrect. There has really been nothing (patch notes or memory) to lead anyone to believe any other weapon was also listed incorrectly. Chances are, if anything, this was merely a typo on stratics part.

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:21 pm
by ClowN
Derrick wrote:This (48) will be in next publish.

The Kryss has a speed of 53, and there will be no change.

thanks derrick, iv been waiting for this a long time now.

Re: Katana vs. Kryss

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:18 am
by Ronk
ClowN wrote:
Derrick wrote:This (48) will be in next publish.

The Kryss has a speed of 53, and there will be no change.

thanks derrick, iv been waiting for this a long time now.
Huzzah