Herding/Animal Taming

[Dreadnaught]

I believe herding should either be changed to have a small timer until the animal wanders away, or, it should be illegal to unattend animal taming. This new trend in taming is not good. Tamers luring dozens of animals to one spot so their tamer can herd them, then set a macro to tame them. This is draining the island of animals and making a skill that in my belief is susposed to be extreamly hard, all that much easier. This is bordering on the edge of an exploit, and I do not feel it will hurt the "Era accuracy" to fix this.

[Faust]

I have never done taming on here so I'm a little ignorant on the topic. However, I don't see exactly how this is a problem or exploit for gaining taming. Retaming previously tamed creatures doesn't allow taming gains from what I understood. If this isn't the case please disregard this comment.

[BlackFoot]

i afked taming from 85-100

[Kryptonical]

How? can you explain how this works so I can use it before they change it

[Hoots]

I believe herding should either be changed to have a small timer until the animal wanders away, or, it should be illegal to unattend animal taming. This new trend in taming is not good. Tamers luring dozens of animals to one spot so their tamer can herd them, then set a macro to tame them. This is draining the island of animals and making a skill that in my belief is susposed to be extreamly hard, all that much easier. This is bordering on the edge of an exploit, and I do not feel it will hurt the "Era accuracy" to fix this.

well im at 99.1 taming and have never afk'd it. I know some people have but in gaining taming you kind of get a feel for who else is doing taming and how they are doing it.

I have made a couple friends and 1 or 2 enemies why gaining taming.

First, I have never seen the problem you are discribing. Second, this is uo... dont like it. Blades spirit the tames? in a house? earth quake and MS them. Maybe you have to take a couple counts in doing it... again, this is UO. It has always been about players solving problems... Not GM's or rules or policies.

My tamer is logged in right now as im at work burning counts off from some taming practice disagrements i had with another tamer...

There are very few things in this game players cant fix themselves.

[Hoots]

i afked taming from 85-100

didnt you lose like 15k bandages in this process or was that just a rumor?

I know you had a taming war or 2 of your own.

Taming has sucked.. and i still have 10 gains to go (99.1/99.0) but it was very rewarding the first time i tamed a mare and the same for a drag. I have a feeling at 100.00 i will fell rewarded for my efforts again.

[Hemperor]

Faust, you have better chances gaining off pre-tames.
There are too many tamers as it is in ratio to players (compared to OSI). Everyday I see 5 more taming up at Ice Isle.
I don't remember tamers rolling with 15+ pets and controlling them perfectly, this should be WAY harder.
I don't remember taming mares etc. being so god damn easy.

I think some good research should be put into animal taming, pretty soon all dungeons and field will be camped by tamers (it already is half the time already)

[Hoots]

Faust, you have better chances gaining off pre-tames.
There are too many tamers as it is in ratio to players (compared to OSI). Everyday I see 5 more taming up at Ice Isle.
I don't remember tamers rolling with 15+ pets and controlling them perfectly, this should be WAY harder.
I don't remember taming mares etc. being so god damn easy.

I think some good research should be put into animal taming, pretty soon all dungeons and field will be camped by tamers (it already is half the time already)

Ok Hemp, ill give this a go.

1. On pretames you do have a better chance but you need someone else to tame for you. When i tame a creature i can never gain on him again.. So the advantage here is if i herd 30 bulls and tame them and then YOU come in and tame 30 pretames for good gains. It doesnt benefit just one person.

2. You have a red right? if you dont care about counts why dont you clean off ice island every day.? like many things here there are very little newbie learning curves. you have 250 people who mostly know the ins and outs of the game and they all know how powerful/profitable a tamer can be. It is a ratio of knowledgable players to newbie players and that is what differs from OSI

3. I agree with you. I think 5-6 drags was about the max i remember seeing. BUT, you could control that handful of pets very easily with 100/100. I also dont remember 10+ drags rolling around.

4. Do you even have a tamer? Taming mares is not easy. My first attemtp at a mare went 120 minutes with no success. I have tamed a total of three and i wouldnt call either bringing 200 of each reag for heals or needing a friend or multiclient for healing easy....

the only reason taming aggresives could even be considered easyier is you dont have the player pop fighting over the spawn and areas arnt populated enough for most taming sessions to be inerupted by pks..

[Xukluk Tuguznal]

just to add my two cents.

There was no limit on pets. I rolled at one point with 9 or 10 WW's. Giving them orders was a pain in the arse. Once the order was giving of course they followed through. Needless to say I cut it back to six myself. Which most of the time they would all listen but at times 1 or 2 would be stubborn as hell.

I remember spamming orders without feeding them would send them wild in a few seconds.

I also remember WW's and such using polymorph.. Do they do that here?

[Hemperor]

Clearly you guys haven't seen Onslaught running around with 15+ mares.

Mares are quite a bit faster and deadlier than dragons also.

I'm not whining, just predicting the future. ACE is already solely based on tamers, I believe they have 4 or 5 at this point, so fighting them is basically something we try to avoid on the field at this point (they run until tamers come). Pretty soon LL room will be held down by tamers 24/7 etc... there really isn't much you can do vs a tamer.

EDIT: And I have also never seen these tamers fail one single command with this many pets. Being able to macro from 85-100 is just BS imo

EDIT2:*** 32 attempts at 99.6 were made to tame the nightmare, and then it seemed to kick you off alot, not attacking you but you would just dismount for some strange reason, this may have been a bug, but then again the nightmare may cause the same effect that a tamed drake would bring you, flagging you criminal in town and getting you killed.

[Dreadnaught]

Let me clear this yup, how this works. FIrst off I want to say I think taming should be extreamly hard and almost impossible to macro. Thats what makes it so great when you finnally hit gm. Plus, we dont want the shard overrun with tamers, and they are getting pretty thick as it is. The reason most of you guys havent seen this problem is it is fairly new. What players are doing is, loging onto their tamer and planting him on ice island, then, they are loging into their other characters and attacking every polarbear or white wolf they see, and th ey are leading the animal to their tamer, they then hide, they set a macro on their tamer to herd the animals into a large circle around them, then, do a target next grey taming macro. So they are no retaming over and over, they are getting literally dozens of animals gathered and stuck around them, then go afk while letting it macro on them. This hurts the shard because it not only makes taming a hell of a lot easier, but, it kills the spawn on the island, because every animal on the island is tamed and gathered around on person, and being herded there. I have tried blade spiriting the animals, that worked the first time I ever saw this, but obviuosly its catching on fast, because now ice island has 3 or 4 tamers doing this at any given time, so its really not possible to kill all the animals. This may not be offcially illegal in any way, but I think its hurting the shard, and I do not see a problem in changing somthing to better the shard. I do not believe we should change the number of followers your allowed, but a simple change to the herding skill, which is useless skill already, will fix this problem.

[BlackFoot]

i afked taming from 85-100

didnt you lose like 15k bandages in this process or was that just a rumor?

I know you had a taming war or 2 of your own.

Taming has sucked.. and i still have 10 gains to go (99.1/99.0) but it was very rewarding the first time i tamed a mare and the same for a drag. I have a feeling at 100.00 i will fell rewarded for my efforts again.

i probably spent about 8k bandages from 85-100, was pked maybe 10 times over the span by the same guy over the course of a day. so that particular day i only went with a couple hundred bandages at a time. was also collecting bandages off of their tamers they were training
but 8k bandages for gm tamer was a sweet deal and i got a second char pretty high in healing and gm anat.

I never did this skill on osi so I cant comment on how accurate it is, but for a skill that is sooo powerful it seemed ludicrously easy to gm, maybe 6 days ish and last 2 days afk

[Kaivan]

I have been doing some extensive research on taming over the past couple of weeks. I'll have to make the post later on detailing the specifics, but in a nutshell, taming worked 2 very distinct ways; the pre 2000 and the post 2000 systems. Currently we have a semi hybrid between both systems. Anyway, I'll go into more detail about it some time later today.

[Hoots]

Let me clear this yup, how this works. FIrst off I want to say I think taming should be extreamly hard and almost impossible to macro. Thats what makes it so great when you finnally hit gm. Plus, we dont want the shard overrun with tamers, and they are getting pretty thick as it is. The reason most of you guys havent seen this problem is it is fairly new. What players are doing is, loging onto their tamer and planting him on ice island, then, they are loging into their other characters and attacking every polarbear or white wolf they see, and th ey are leading the animal to their tamer, they then hide, they set a macro on their tamer to herd the animals into a large circle around them, then, do a target next grey taming macro. So they are no retaming over and over, they are getting literally dozens of animals gathered and stuck around them, then go afk while letting it macro on them. This hurts the shard because it not only makes taming a hell of a lot easier, but, it kills the spawn on the island, because every animal on the island is tamed and gathered around on person, and being herded there. I have tried blade spiriting the animals, that worked the first time I ever saw this, but obviuosly its catching on fast, because now ice island has 3 or 4 tamers doing this at any given time, so its really not possible to kill all the animals. This may not be offcially illegal in any way, but I think its hurting the shard, and I do not see a problem in changing somthing to better the shard. I do not believe we should change the number of followers your allowed, but a simple change to the herding skill, which is useless skill already, will fix this problem.

very nice post. It is easy to see the problem. This would never be an issue on osi due to player pop.

But i would think casting 4 or 5 blades and poison fields will wipe these out.

Actually, if you find someone doing this just PM me in irc and ill come clean them out with a couple drags

[Dreadnaught]

Let me clear this yup, how this works. FIrst off I want to say I think taming should be extreamly hard and almost impossible to macro. Thats what makes it so great when you finnally hit gm. Plus, we dont want the shard overrun with tamers, and they are getting pretty thick as it is. The reason most of you guys havent seen this problem is it is fairly new. What players are doing is, loging onto their tamer and planting him on ice island, then, they are loging into their other characters and attacking every polarbear or white wolf they see, and th ey are leading the animal to their tamer, they then hide, they set a macro on their tamer to herd the animals into a large circle around them, then, do a target next grey taming macro. So they are no retaming over and over, they are getting literally dozens of animals gathered and stuck around them, then go afk while letting it macro on them. This hurts the shard because it not only makes taming a hell of a lot easier, but, it kills the spawn on the island, because every animal on the island is tamed and gathered around on person, and being herded there. I have tried blade spiriting the animals, that worked the first time I ever saw this, but obviuosly its catching on fast, because now ice island has 3 or 4 tamers doing this at any given time, so its really not possible to kill all the animals. This may not be offcially illegal in any way, but I think its hurting the shard, and I do not see a problem in changing somthing to better the shard. I do not believe we should change the number of followers your allowed, but a simple change to the herding skill, which is useless skill already, will fix this problem.

very nice post. It is easy to see the problem. This would never be an issue on osi due to player pop.

But i would think casting 4 or 5 blades and poison fields will wipe these out.

Actually, if you find someone doing this just PM me in irc and ill come clean them out with a couple drags

Yes but the problem is to widespread, I would literally have to spend my entire play time wiping them out. Then you have the problem of them seeing you do it and coming back with their red, or blue pvper and wiping you out (I am fairly new to the shard and only have a provo worked up atm )In the past week I have not been to ice island (Working my n00bie tamer) without seeing at least a couple people doing this. It just wasnt that way on OSI, its disturbing to see the way the island looks because of it, and as said earlier, taming shouldnt be cheapened. WHen I played during early T2A era I only knew of 2 gm tamers on my shard.