Tamer templates ?

[Flower]

Can some of you tamers tell my your set up on skills and the pros and cons of them I am trying to decide on skills to go with taming.
Thanks

[tekai]

If you ask anyone here who has had a tamer for any length of time, most of them will agree that having anything but a defence / offence tamer is a waste.

Wrestle
Magery
Eval
Taming
Lore
Hiding
Med

To compensate for the lack of Vet, you bring more dragons. It isnt unusual for someone like GK or me to farm with 4 or more dragons. If a pk comes, you simply hide until the time is right, and back your dragons up with energy bolts, paralize and wall of stone.

[archaicsubrosa77]

Parry was mentioned...
If a Tamer had parry on his temp instead of eval, vet, or hiding would that be a good skill to have to take cover amidst your pets or to have rushing in leading your pets into combat precasting a heal spell, maybe even going 50/50 with evaluating intelligence or some other type of juggling act with the rest of the tamers skills on his/her template just to be a bit more offensive?

Like lets start with the base

taming
lore
med
resist
parry
wrestle
magery

If someone wanted to go that route would they be better off to leave it like that or try to fit in a little Eval into it? I see you dropped resist for hiding, would hiding and parry be a good combo on this? I myself would never drop resist as most people would cast on you rather then risk melee amidst your pets unless you got seperated from them. That's why I am curious about parry in cases where you are either leading your pets into combat or need to rush to them for security.

[GuardianKnight]

Just asking for trouble if you deviate from the destined tamer template. Your pets protect you from physical damage.

[archaicsubrosa77]

It has resist and parry...with wrestling,magery, and your pets that's alot of defense. To move them quickly you have to rush them forward with follow then cast an energy field if you want to pin the opponents in if it would be an effective place to do so. You can precast a greater heal and arm a sheild like you could any other weapon if you want instead even.

I watched many tamers get attacked as I stealthed through many dungeons. The biggest problem they had was their opponents off screening.
Having a good defense to lead a strong offense I thought might help, rather then cowering behind your pets that look to you for direction.

The suggestion of parry on a tamer came up awhile back, I am just fiddling with the idea as of now. I didn't suggest it but I kind of like the idea.

[Mikel123]

Note to everyone who is reading this: PLEASE do not put Parry on your tamer. It's awful. You don't ever want to be getting hit, and most of the time you're in danger, you're casting something anyways.

[archaicsubrosa77]

Or you are giving kill commands...with targets. You can arm and disarm your sheild whenever the need arises...Like I said in charging forward toward your enemy, withdrawing away into the midst of your pets, or inbetween giving out commands.

If you have your dragons persuing one guy, then a dexxer or archer comes out from behind knowing he is not the target rather YOU ARE, then having a sheild and running to your pets with an "all guard me" then casting a greater heal on yourself might just save you.

It's okay to have other playstyles if you develop the proper techniques beneficial for them.

Most people can't accept changes or variance in gameplay because they haven't given it much thought on how to adapt to difference having played the same temp for quite some time, or given much thought on how to make small changes strengths rather then weaknesses.

Not to say the cookie cutters aren't a good way to go, I am saying it's not the only way to go. It depends truly on what kind of enemies you are facing really.

In example, the enticing of pets through Gates...no one considered doing it. Everyone thought enticement was just for luring NPCS out into killing range.

I encourage going against the grain to carve your notch. There are cookie cutter temps that are strong and proven, there are other templates that vary away so much from the norm they take people by surprise.

I love to hear new template ideas, lately there have been really good ones. Like I said I am not taking any credit for coming up with the idea of having parry on a tamer...but I think its kind of a neat thought.

I decided to give encouragement to the one who suggested it to provide ideas on how it would be beneficial.

Don't let people tell you what to do, but listen to what they have to say.
Experimentation is just another fun aspect of UO.

You have more freedom here then anywhere else to do so. Except when the dexxer comes in and you are $#&% out of mana

[tekai]

I know that it is fun and interesting to go against the grain, and not cookie cutter. Unfortunently on this server its kill or be killed, and testing out neat theorys such as parry are really only going to get you killed and dragons lost.

You can not really be successful without the above template with hiding, you will just get instasinqed by a vent dump and die. Most of the time your not dieing from hally hits anyway, but the ebolt spam, so having a parry really isnt going to save your life the same way that hiding can, and will.

[TTPMatt]

Just asking for trouble if you deviate from the destined tamer template. Your pets protect you from physical damage.

LOL ...

magery
resist
med
taming
lore
vet
wrestle

Take it from someone that has played pvp tamers for a while now...

That's both of my PK tamer templates, but I played them as the same a long time ago when they were blue...

Taking hiding up on the "would-be" most powerful offensive attacking character is stupidity.

--- Your pets don't protect you when the other tamer is chomping you <3

[GuardianKnight]

Just asking for trouble if you deviate from the destined tamer template. Your pets protect you from physical damage.

LOL ...

magery
resist
med
taming
lore
vet
wrestle

Take it from someone that has played pvp tamers for a while now...




That's both of my PK tamer templates, but I played them as the same a long time ago when they were blue...

Taking hiding up on the "would-be" most powerful offensive attacking character is stupidity.

--- Your pets don't protect you when the other tamer is chomping you <3

Your pets are the least of my worries when you show up. It's those mages and dexers keeping me from killing you.

[archaicsubrosa77]

See thats the thing the last few times I seen anyone go up against a tamer they were (blue) full armor eval warriors that synched ebolt/explosion then came in with melee. Both of them prepped spells and waited. The tamer stood there prepping a g-heal. The dragons soon targeted an elder gazer, the pks realeased their spells and then came in and finished the tamer off in a second even after the g-heal.

If the tamer had parry he may have lived long enough to give an all guard me command or something. He tried to heal but they were hitting him high dex. Mini heal spam couldn't save that man. His back was in the corner.

They had to attack the pets to get them to aggress (because he waited to flag them murderers). But you are right...its just tough all over no matter how you work it. Eval is good, but thats alot of casting and it leaves little for you. Vet is good, but without your pets you are a kickpuppy. He should have said all guard me at the get go. They were going to attack both him and the dragons no matter what.

There is no real solution is there? Hiding is a definite no unless of course you need to wait out the grey flag on your new tame, or wait for the red to fade but invisible would work just as well.

I couldnt just sit there and hide when the Pks come in...real strategy there let me tell you. The last thing you need is seperation from the only thing keeping you alive.

[Yohsiph]

What about peacemaking? Is it even useful/has it been fixed?

Last time I checked, it was broken. People were saying that it would aoe peace everything, and only for a moment, in addition to making your pets wander off. I could definitely see how it could help with taming new pets, and keeping pets safe if you drop vet... if it's fixed that is.

Edit: The temp I'm currently building is

Magery
Meditation
Taming
Lore
Vet
Musicianship
Provocation

Was thinking of dropping vet for either hiding or or peacemaking. From a defensive perspective, you could charge in, peacemake, then sic pets on a target. If there are multiple targets, provoke once pet has aggro.

Thoughts?

[archaicsubrosa77]

the only use I have found for peacemaking is for griefing...or to aid your thief in town.

Griefing because you can unprovoke provoked monsters which can turn them on the bard.

Thieves so that they can get that second to escape and recall away from a fight.

Peacemaking is good for transporting animals through dangerous areas though. Say if you were bringing a pack of animals somewhere to hunt and didnt want them to mess with lesser spawn, or when you are wandering around with mounts you tame before you gate back to town.

A peacer is also good on your gater if you die to come in and peace the mobs so you can go in and invisible or hide by your corpse to loot.

there maybe other uses for it, but its basically for certain circumstances sort of like entice.

Like you said run out in front, peace them out, provoke what you can and sic your pets on them.