Meditation

[KydVicious]

For some reason my meditation is stuck at 79, my mana is 40 is there a special number at which my mana needs to be when I start meditating to gain? I've never had a problem GMing it on my tanks but with this mana of 40 it's really causing a problem.

[Downs]

i believe you need higher mana to gain at some point.

[Faust]

No, higher mana isn't necessary at all but can allow for more possible chances of a gain to happen.

Meditation will only gain during active meditation and cannot passively gain at all. This is actually a whole lot easier than it was during the era since back then it would only gain when the skill was literally used. However, this isn't the case right now so it's a lot easier than it should be.

- Meditation Guide -

With the overpowered features of Razor the meditation skill is a piece of cake to GM. I started a character with 50 magery and resist learning meditation through an NPC placing it at around 30 or so points into the skill. I was able to GM meditation after hitting around 65 magery and roughly 70-80 intelligence letting the stat go up by itself from using the two skills.

[alcon]

Also if you keep your character intoxicated, you will get nice med gains because each hicup will lower your mana so you can stay in a constant state of meditation.

[Hicha]

No, higher mana isn't necessary at all but can allow for more possible chances of a gain to happen.

It is impossible to GM meditation with 40 int.

The only thing you can do KydVicious is raise your Int, GM meditation, then lower it back to 40.

[Faust]

It is not impossible at all.

I have GM'd meditation at 25 intelligence in the past here. You just have to base your macro off of the precise percentage rate for the best possible gain at the specific mana level. There is no denying that the higher int/mana that you have makes the skill a whole lot easier to GM since there are more opportunities for such a gain to happen. However, it is definitely not impossible to GM it at low int/mana levels so long as you follow the formula for the best chance to gain.

The difference between the two wouldn't matter a whole if the skill was fixed to its accurate behavior.

[nickhimself]

For meditation training, you want to base the mana you start meditating from off of your meditation skill. If you have 100 int, it's easier to gauge this on the fly, however it's still easy regardless of your Int.

If you have 25 Meditation (all instances assume 100int), you'll want to use meditation around 75 mana.

With 50 med, use around 50 mana.

With 75 med, use around 25 mana.

Hopefully those examples will help clear up any confusion as to why Meditation might seem stuck. Chances are, you're either meditating with too much mana left, or trying with way too little mana (compared to your meditation skill)

[Mikel123]

You can get over 60 meditation off of meditating 5 mana (with a magical wizard's hat).

So for Nickhimself's suggestion, I would actually advise aiming for something far less than that.

I would suggest meditating at half the mana of your meditation skill. If you meditate at -70 mana and 70 skill, you'll fail a lot and won't gain as much.

I typically got my last few points of meditation by meditating at around 40/100 mana.

[pablo]

I used the drinking method...worked great and cheap. Only downside was the hangover.

[nickhimself]

You can get over 60 meditation off of meditating 5 mana (with a magical wizard's hat).

So for Nickhimself's suggestion, I would actually advise aiming for something far less than that.

I would suggest meditating at half the mana of your meditation skill. If you meditate at -70 mana and 70 skill, you'll fail a lot and won't gain as much.

I typically got my last few points of meditation by meditating at around 40/100 mana.

The way I suggested has gotten me GM Med several times, and i've never been stuck at any level.


With the drinking method, can you GM from that?

[pablo]

i gm'd with drinking

[Hicha]

It is not impossible at all.

I have GM'd meditation at 25 intelligence in the past here. You just have to base your macro off of the precise percentage rate for the best possible gain at the specific mana level. There is no denying that the higher int/mana that you have makes the skill a whole lot easier to GM since there are more opportunities for such a gain to happen. However, it is definitely not impossible to GM it at low int/mana levels so long as you follow the formula for the best chance to gain.

The difference between the two wouldn't matter a whole if the skill was fixed to its accurate behavior.

In the past you probably could GM med from having little INT, but there were changes to the way Meditation was calculated, which is also now affected by how much intellect you have.

Here is a great post about it (http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=5406) in which several people replied stating they could only achieve a certain amount of meditation before it stopped. At 40 int, I stopped exactly at 79 meditation, and even at 0 mana I never failed to meditate. Another person had the same exact results.

Point being: if you aren't gaining meditation, you probably need more INT.

Edit: For med gain, I've always hit 100 int first, then I would meditate at roughly (100 - meditation skill.) So if my meditation was at 20, I'd meditate when I had 80% mana, med skill 30 I'd adjust macro to med at 70% mana, etc, etc.

[Faust]

It was after the correction.

I fully understand how the advancement rates are processed for this skill.

It's simple math, nothing more.

[Hicha]

It was after the correction.

I fully understand how the advancement rates are processed for this skill.

It's simple math, nothing more.

/facepalm

Meditation difficulty is based on how short you are on mana, and like other skils if you have no chance of failure, or no chance of success based on that difficulty you cannot gain.

With 40 int and 79 meditation you have can never fail to meditate. No chance for failure = no gain. I've tested it personally, but if you feel in your infinite wisdom that I'm wrong, please feel free to prove it.

[Faust]

Best Mana Level for a Gain = ((100 - Meditation Skill) * 0.01 ) * Intelligence
Situation Based on hiicha's Post = ((100 - 79) * 0.01) * 40 <--- 8.4 or 8 mana if you lack the math skills.

Again, my post CLEARLY stated that it wasn't "impossible" at all but merely significantly harder with lower intelligence. Having higher intelligence is CLEARLY much quicker for gains since there are more possible chances of gaining in the skill. Please feel free to log onto the test center and run a Razor macro with a loop based on this formula and you will see for yourself.

I wouldn't suggest ever doing meditation with a locked low level meditation skill value though.