House reduction

[sMASH]

if u cant beat em join em right?...place a bunch of houses and sell to the noob cheaper then deed price...make urself happy! its free world here...

[Biohazard]

if u cant beat em join em right?...place a bunch of houses and sell to the noob cheaper then deed price...make urself happy! its free world here...

the idea is to get people here as easily as possible.. joining them would be the anti.

[sMASH]

u should reread my post there...

[Biohazard]

u should reread my post there...

I did but i think that you meant the opposite lol.. my bad

[Panthor the Hated]

No, BF isn't apart of the problem because there is no problem.

[Gicod]

I cant say there is a problem. I am what I would consider to be "new" here having been here only 3 months and have managed to score alot of nice housing. Placed a patio on the mountains south of Skara, a large brick in the woods near Yew Crypts, 7x7's for both myself and the missus on a private pond in the woods south of the hedgemaze, and on the road by the farms outside Skara, my first place I recently dropped was a 7x7 right outside Del Passage which I found convenient because thats where I like to work new characters.

Never once have I not been able to find what I would consider to me to be quality housing space. Im a somewhat casual player so usually about the time I am looking to upgrade homes is about the time I finally bank enough gold to get a deed, and am yet to be disappointed in finding a nice place for what I want. Nor am I bothered at all by paying above deed price for something I want. In UO housing has always been a commodity, and a valuable one. I know the rules of the game. Hell, when I started during T2A on Sonoma small houses were selling for 200-250k, an IDOC small was more hotly contested for the spot than the loot. Me, being a noob with more money than balls bought my first small fieldstone on Dagger Isle on Ebay for $100!

I made a killing in real estate during the early Tram years, when a tower would sell for 8 mil in a crappy location, as I was arguably one of the best placers on Sonoma, made a fortune over the years until Malas housing added more space and the bottom fell out of the market due to dramatically increased availability. Real estate has always been one of the more entertaining aspects of the UO economy. I understand well someone wanting to make a buck and if its not outta line to me I'll pay it. A few weeks ago we bought the missus a large brick along the coast NE of Yew for 190k, dropped it and placed an L-shape...was a nice secluded location for a day or so until someone placed a large brick right next to it, damn that housing crisis.

I dont see a problem with the market here or with the available housing and to be quite honest, I cant view your message as philanthropy Murugan, when days ago while selling the tower you miraculously placed during this apparent housing crisis, you boasted about there being no harm at all in you making a few bucks in the housing market despite the fact you basically quit. Perhaps its that all those people placing/owning houses are cutting into your profit margin.

Attacking Blackfoot and others for their houses, quite possibly not unlike the keep/castle you recently sold, is pretty stupid actually as you are comparing apples to oranges. From what I have seen in my time here, Blackfoot for instance is very active in the community, is one of the more active players on the shard, and seems to have his shit wired tight, he deserves what he has (and incidentally isnt bound by some veteran code of honor bullshit to hand it out to newbies either) and likening a player like that to someone hoarding empty properties is foolish. So not every player gets to be so fortunate, another fact of UO and anyone inclined to play here is likely to understand that fact well. If they dont, let them go play on one of those cheap ass giveaway shards, because they are clearly not interested in playing Ultima Online and hence we likely dont need them here anyhow. Everyone I am sure would love a castle, but I know when Tram placement went in there were 42-43 valid castle placements per shard, I placed/owned 2 of them (a much more impressive feat on a production shard).....so guess what, not eveyone got one, but there was no mass exodus from UO because of it. There will likely always be good housing available here on UOSA.

[Hicha]

Hell, when I started during T2A on Sonoma small houses were selling for 200-250k, an IDOC small was more hotly contested for the spot than the loot. Me, being a noob with more money than balls bought my first small fieldstone on Dagger Isle on Ebay for $100!

I paid 450k for my first house, a small tower in the middle of fire island on Atlantic during T2A. Paying 20-50k over deed price here is a pretty good investment, I've always looked at it as a "finder's fee." Why go out when I can just browse the forums and see whats available?

Attacking Blackfoot and others for their houses, quite possibly not unlike the keep/castle you recently sold, is pretty stupid actually as you are comparing apples to oranges.

More than likely Murugan is just raging because he can't find any spots to place towers/keeps/castles, thus preventing him from investing the gold he made from selling his keep to turn a profit.

[Murugan]

Well Ill clear this matter up for everyone, I do not care about placing / turning and moving on with property. If I DID, then Why the fuck would I be so against the housing market as it stands? "if" what I am asking for got PASSED and put into play, there would be a WEALTH of house spots opening up, and therefore would NULL any chance I would have at placing to sell properties.

I am all for making money as you can with the market as it stands, why not? But the point to all this is simply on a shard of the amount of players we have, and the fact that u can multi-client, means there is no reason for such crazy house placing.

I attacked Blackfoot not because he HAS more then 3 houses, Not because he Buys / sells houses for profit, but because he claims to use these houses, his knowledge and wealth to "help" out the players, when I do not see this happening.

I simply believe that if there was not a housing "issue" (ill stop using crisis since a few people think being able to place a 7x7 means we are not in one) we would have a better chance at bringing in more players.

BTW, Do you know that some people believe the USA never was in a recession? I bet it was the people who didn't take a pay cut, or loose there job! In relation to that, If you own 15 houses, yeah, your not going to ever think that we are out of room.

Also, What does my sale of my keep have anything to do with this post? Im not crying because I sold my keep and now I can't live in one again! Im not crying because I can't make money off of it, nor am I crying because I made 3 mill off a placed keep. The sale of my keep was offered because of the wealth inside, and the fact that cleared out, That keep in that location would have netted almost a mill alone. I made 3 mill on that sale, and probably have close to 4 mill total, so trust me, money was never an issue, nor do I see myself ever really needing more.

Oh yeah, BTW - era accruate was 1 per account, isnt that what we are supposed to be, era accurate? I guess not. I guess we get to pick and choose which "rules" we follow and which ones we dont. For example, deeds were NOT noobied in this era, but because people are morons, I guess it needed to be done.

[Gicod]

No, one per account is most definitely NOT era accurate. That was UO:R.

[Panthor the Hated]

I love when people try to turn the tables on the NEA argument. It was good in the no blessed runebooks thread too "OH YA, WELL THERE WERE NO RUNEBOOKS AT ALL IN T2A, SO BLESS THEM HA!"


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Soooo good.

[LifeForce]

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Oh yeah, BTW - era accruate was 1 per account, isnt that what we are supposed to be, era accurate?
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No, one per account is most definitely NOT era accurate. That was UO:R.

1. find source that proofs one of the claims
2. implement housing the era accurate way
3. ???
4. profit

[Caswallon]

Do we really need this thread every 2 weeks? There is loads of room, if you spend more than 5 minutes looking. Not for castles or keeps but these houses are huge, there is room for large's and a few towers.

Oh yeah, BTW - era accruate was 1 per account, isnt that what we are supposed to be, era accurate? I guess not. I guess we get to pick and choose which "rules" we follow and which ones we dont. For example, deeds were NOT noobied in this era, but because people are morons, I guess it needed to be done.

http://www.uoherald.com/news/news.php?newsid=600

One House per Account per Shard
Players will only be allowed to own one house per account on each shard. The system will not be retroactive and current house owners will not be forced to redeed houses if they have more than one. For accounts that already own more than one house, the system works in the following manner:

Already accurate, 1 per char.

http://wiki.uosecondage.com/?title=1999_Patch_Notes

* Note: House Deeds purchased after April 16th 1999
House deeds that are purchased off of npcs will be considered newbie items. If you are a murderer and you die, a house deed will be left on your corpse. If you are not a murderer and you die, the deed will stay on your ghost character. If you set these items down, they will decay rapidly.

Murugan, this has all been done a million times before, use the search feature.

[BlackFoot]

Good post BIO

i own a large number of house, not one of them i own for purposes of resale for profit,
All are used to live in or help new players
I earned those houses fair and square!

Blackfoot, you sound like your part of the problem.
There was just a post a week or so ago "HANDOUTS" in which some kid was asking for items, gold, housing, shelter etc, and I didn't see the KIND BLACKFOOT, offer a single post about a place to stay, or be friended to, or even tips and tricks for the young player. So stop acting like your a fucking king kong around here, and start being one. You do not care if the entire map has no room to even hunt on, because chances are you have more then 3 accounts, and have more then 15 houses.

I attacked Blackfoot not because he HAS more then 3 houses, Not because he Buys / sells houses for profit, but because he claims to use these houses, his knowledge and wealth to "help" out the players, when I do not see this happening.

Your making a large number of assumptions about this situation and me that is in turn making you look like an ass. Attacking individual players with no facts doesn't help you further your argument.

[Biohazard]

Your making a large number of assumptions about this situation and me that is in turn making you look like an ass. Attacking individual players with no facts doesn't help you further your argument.

who cares about the attacking part... view the argument for what it is.. regardless what any of you think it isnt the same as osi. the end.

p.s. blacky i appreciate what you do for the shard.. that isnt the case

[Alex21]

"okay" WTF does that have to do with anything? People take "breaks" all the time. My break is due to a baby on the way, and the fact that I was tired of playing with the same morons each day! It does not mean that I need to stop reading the forums, and stop trying to come up with ideas and ways to bring new people in. I believe that the majority of people who are "idle" would come back to play if there was fresh players!

brace yourself sir, most are ignorant and wont even bat an eye at the fact that everyone has 3 (or more) accounts to themselves.. thus equating to many houses that are barely being used.. or perhaps not at all. you are right they are greedy and think that new people only want small houses. might i suggest a little bit of reading to bide your time while you wait for nothing to happen on the issue since nothing is going to be done anyway because no one really cares if a noob can ever get a larger than small house. It's ok.. at least blackfoot and hiicha are happy with their 30 houses that im sure they will gladly sell you one of for "near deed price" what a couple of great guys.

http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8700

lets not ignore the true evil though... multi-clienting..

at least we have a great legit housing market LOL RIGHT DRFAUSTUS LOL

sorry boys.. i had to chime in


P.S. welcome back

Not having a tighter housing limit imposed has nothing to do with people not caring about noobs. Everyone seems to forget this server has a single solid goal, complete in game T2A accuracy, so posting whine threads about game mechanics you want changed to be un-accurate is absolutely pointless, so stop being so ignorant as to believe this is an attack on new players by older players. Its just the way this game works.