Taming control question

[Astinus]

Hello, I am a newbie here. I arrived fairly late onto the T2A scene, only a few months. I spent most of my time playing after UO:R before I got so bored of it. A friend of mine introduced me to this and I couldn't resist.

I wanted to recreate my old tamer/mage, but I have a question. I'm a bit iffy on what changes were made when, and I'm wondering at approximately what level (taming/lore) is needed to control dragons and nightmares (having them transferred from someone else)? I tried doing some searches, but couldn't really find a straight answer. I remember I was easily controlling both with about 80 taming/100 lore, but I think that was post-UO:R.

I understand every veteran here is GM-everything in a couple of days what with macros and helpers retaming bulls, but for those of us without the benefit of the latter being able to mess around with a nightmare earlier would be useful information to know. Thanks!

[Schtolteheim]

bump, i would like to know this as well

[uofuntime]

Not sure about your original question but:

I understand every veteran here is GM-everything in a couple of days what with macros and helpers retaming bulls

You don't get skill from retaming. I remember I told this one guy that after he kept retaming tamed + released animals with funny names. He didn't believe it and argued with me. Geeesh!

[Mikel123]

GM Lore, because you can macro it.

And at 93.9 taming, when you can begin attempting to tame dragons, is a reasonable number to try to control them at (assuming you're buying them).

But, with macroing taming, 93.9 + 1day = 100.0

[Astinus]

You don't get skill from retaming. I remember I told this one guy that after he kept retaming tamed + released animals with funny names. He didn't believe it and argued with me. Geeesh!

The skill required to tame a creature someone else had tamed previously is increased, isn't it? Or was that a post-UO:R invention?

And at 93.9 taming, when you can begin attempting to tame dragons, is a reasonable number to try to control them at (assuming you're buying them).

So was it changed after T2A to make it easier to control these animals? Because I thought it was the opposite. And as I said, I was easily controlling a Nightmare in the low 80s taming in UO:R, though with the occasional mildly annoying streaks of disobeying. The wiki here says the "orneriness check" is 80% taming = 20% lore compared to the taming required for that animal, but I have no idea what "orneriness" means and what exactly happens if you fall under it: completely ignoring every order? Gradually increasing amounts of disobeying depending on how far away from it you are?

[uofuntime]

You don't get skill from retaming. I remember I told this one guy that after he kept retaming tamed + released animals with funny names. He didn't believe it and argued with me. Geeesh!

The skill required to tame a creature someone else had tamed previously is increased, isn't it? Or was that a post-UO:R invention?

You will basically have a 100% chance of retaming a pre-tamed creature granted you meet the minimum requirement. If you don't meet the minimum, it will say you don't have enough skill.

[Mikel123]

Every time you give a command, a check is made between the pet's minimum tame level (93.9 for a dragon for example) and it's current happiness, and a value calculated with 80% of your taming and 20% of your animal lore. If you succeed the roll, the pet's happiness raises one step and the pet obeys. If you fail, the pet's happiness loweras one step and it does whatever it was doing before.

I'd guess the chance of a pet agreeing to the command is around 90%. My memory makes me think it should be somewhere between 87.5% and 92.5%. I forget which. I think 92.5%. That number sticks out in my mind, but it was 10 years ago so who knows.

Anyways... animal lore gives you the "happiness" level of your pet. There's about a dozen. Each of those levels has a few gradations within it. So if a pet is "very happy" that could mean a few different values. "Wonderfully happy" is the only one with one level.

[Astinus]

Thank you, Mike, that's very informative. And it pretty much confirms that it's more or less like what I remember: I have a reasonable shot of controlling the animal at a lower taming level (with GM lore) if it's kept very well-fed and don't try too many commands in a row if it keeps disobeying (which would keep lowering its happiness level).

[Mikel123]

On this shard, it seems more difficult to "rescue" an animal out of "very happy" than it used to back in the day.

On UOSA, once you get to "very happy", you have about a 1 in 5 chance of commanding it successfully back up to extremely and wonderfully. The other 4 out of 5 times, you're going down fast.

[Astinus]

On UOSA, once you get to "very happy", you have about a 1 in 5 chance of commanding it successfully back up to extremely and wonderfully. The other 4 out of 5 times, you're going down fast.

I'm not sure I understand this. What taming level is this assuming? If you're at or above the taming level, I would hope it'd be a higher chance than that.

[Mikel123]

This is at GM/GM with a dragon.