**SOLD**Selling my mining house (leaving for basic training)

[Mary Read]

Really? Coming first hand from someone who has seen many American trucks blown to pieces and many injured military folks... I do believe war is very much real. Quit living in your fantasy life over here thinking nothing goes on over seas.

I'm not saying it doesnt occur, youd have to be an idiot to think that, I'm saying there are no legitimate reasons that it should occur.

Well.. I wouldn't protest our military... protest your president.

It's not like we say what war we want to go to.

And op: for whoring your thread..

deed + 10k

[Kabal]

We spend 1 mil per soldier per year in America which is about 25 jobs at 40k per year so, the ratio of military jobs to private sector jobs is AT LEAST 25:1 with spending a million dollars. So If you were a true patriot, youd be protesting the very existence of the miliary, not jumping its band wagon.

As of September 08, there are 1,445,000 Active Duty military, 850,000 reserve. The 2009 population census estimated the United States at 307,006,550 people. That comes down to about .74 percent of the population is in the military.

1 mil per soldier is complete bullshit and some random politician throwing random numbers out their ass, but because you read it on the internet it must be true.

"According to government figures, the war in Iraq costs about $4.3 billion a month, and the war in Afghanistan runs another $800 million... the United States has 170,000 troops deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan."

$5.1 billion divided by 170,000 is $30,000 a month per soldier, or $360,000 a year. Nowhere near the inflated $1 million a year.

Heres Congressman Dennis Kucinich, who happens to have the authority to send troops to war( according to the constitution)listen to him say it.

http://rt.com/Politics/2009-12-23/kucin ... nding.html

Don't shoot the messenger bro
Arent you sick of constantly being on the verge of the next war?

[heimdallr]

You against veterans getting disability that they deserve too?

I love this particular line of thought. Veterans deserve health care and social benefits, but fuck every other American. What a sense of entitlement that is, one that is OK when its for your own interest but wrong when its in someone else's interest.

I have gained this criticism after seeing some worthless scumbags who happen to be veteran friends of my brother, also a veteran, get fat checks for the rest of their lives for doing a job they are paid for like everyone else. Then if anyone questions the amount of money they get they stand up and shout at the top of their lungs, "I DESERVE this money, I am HERO, I fought for my COUNTRY, I protected your LIFE."

If anyone says anything about this country needing healthcare for everyone they yell "Fuck you and your socialist entitlements, healthcare is a privilege, not a right!" Then their VA trip costs them 2 dollars in gas to travel there and when they don't get reimbursed for travel they bitch and moan "Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, we DESERVE it!"

BS

Don't tell me anyone's job is any less important to the functioning of society. That is complete nonsense.

But I digress. There are great people in the military doing great things. But one is not made so by virtue of signing a paper saying you are in the military. Perhaps 50% of the armed forces are pieces of shit scumbags that rape, steal, lie, and feel they deserve more than others for whatever reason. I've observed many of them.

[Greenmoon]

I love how this turned into a debate wth?! lol of course there are no winners in war but I sure the hell fully support our men and women fighting em.

I'll bid 2 small deeds

[Shenanagins]

Wow this post got interesting really fast. As little drama as I'd like to cause I guess everyone gets a huge e-peen when it comes to politics on the internet. I respect all sides of the argument... as that is one of the true beauties of being from this country. I personally am joining because I know and believe that wherever I go I'll be an upstanding and respectful representation of what an American should be. Note that I say "should". I do agree that not 100% of the military or even the citizens share the same mentality that I do... but I wish they did. The way I see it.... there are evil people everywhere... at home included... but I'm not one of them.

As for Kabal... like I said... I respect everyone's opinions.. but how dare you accuse me of joining the military to "jump on the band wagon". I'm joining because I feel it's a privilege and an honor to serve my flag. And when my service is no longer needed I promise you that I will look back on my experience with no regrets. It's people like me that allow douches like you to run your young arrogant mouth with no fear of repercussions. If you feel so strongly against me joining without any knowledge of what exactly I'll be doing or how I'll be doing it.... then I invite you to tell me to my face. I feel that you owe me and everyone else on these forums with loved ones affected by this horrible (there is no other kind) war an apology.

I would like to say thank you to the rest of the secondage community for the best wishes and support! I really do appreciate it. I would also like to say that my father just left as a VOLUNTEER (crazy, right?) for Afghanistan for the next 6 months. He's not a soldier he's a quality assurance specialist. He doesn't even carry a gun but he's still there. So any prayers or well-wishes would be greatly appreciated.

I recognize Greenmoon's bid of 2 small deeds as the leader so far. By the way =)

[Mary Read]

You against veterans getting disability that they deserve too?

I love this particular line of thought. Veterans deserve health care and social benefits, but fuck every other American. What a sense of entitlement that is, one that is OK when its for your own interest but wrong when its in someone else's interest.

I have gained this criticism after seeing some worthless scumbags who happen to be veteran friends of my brother, also a veteran, get fat checks for the rest of their lives for doing a job they are paid for like everyone else. Then if anyone questions the amount of money they get they stand up and shout at the top of their lungs, "I DESERVE this money, I am HERO, I fought for my COUNTRY, I protected your LIFE."

If anyone says anything about this country needing healthcare for everyone they yell "Fuck you and your socialist entitlements, healthcare is a privilege, not a right!" Then their VA trip costs them 2 dollars in gas to travel there and when they don't get reimbursed for travel they bitch and moan "Healthcare is a right, not a privilege, we DESERVE it!"

BS

Don't tell me anyone's job is any less important to the functioning of society. That is complete nonsense.

But I digress. There are great people in the military doing great things. But one is not made so by virtue of signing a paper saying you are in the military. Perhaps 50% of the armed forces are pieces of shit scumbags that rape, steal, lie, and feel they deserve more than others for whatever reason. I've observed many of them.

No doubt...I agree, there are several pieces of shit in the military.

The military doesn't automatically mean you are not a dirt bag. We have our bad apples...

[Blackbeard]

Kind of a double edged sword. On the one hand, you're potentially eliminating someone who would have come over to the United States and tried to pull something in Times Square like that jack-ass from Pakistan (if you don't believe he was just a ploy from the CIA and Mossad to begin with) that was arrested recently. On the other hand, you're potentially fighting people who just don't want you in their country aiding US corporations to set up shop on land for utilities that were appropriated by the United States after we bombed the shit out of them. While you might be there for one purpose, Shenanigans (and I don't doubt, from your words, that it's the former), the truth is you'll be a pawn for both. Stay the thin edge of being righteous broseph.

[Shenanagins]

Blackbeard, I can respect that point of view. And I do agree with it to an extent. I'm (obviously) not one of those gun-slinging warmongers out to kill anyone who doesn't agree with my style of justice. I hate those people. In fact, my position will seldom require me to even carry a gun.... let alone use one. If anything it will (hopefully) prevent violence.
I'd love to discuss politics with you but I'd rather not do it on the forums or else more people will start flaming all over the place. I respect your views entirely and partially share them. I just would rather not cause more internet drama.... especially before I leave. And if you didn't know this already... everyone on the secondage forums has a PhD in political science and economics and we're completely outmatched and outwitted on here. =)

So I'm going to ask something of everyone here. Something some of you might have a really hard time with. If you wish to give me your well-wishes and such that is fine. But if you're going to run your mouth about how you feel that "America is the best country in the world" or express one of the millions of ridiculous theories about how Bush is an alien and is responsible for 9/11... please do so elsewhere. I even invite you to PM me if you wish to discuss anything. =) Everyone has their own views and everyone is entitled to them. To express them over forums meant for a computer game from the late 90's is ridiculous. After all... this thread is actually meant to sell my mining house. Thank you. =)

Current bid is 2 small deeds for anyone looking for that info. =)

And can anyone answer if having a forge on the steps is actually considered "grandfathered"?

[Blackbeard]

Yup. I'd think you would be able to fetch a very nice price because of that too. More than 90K.

[Amtrigan]

All I have to say is anyone who attacks the military is no better than someone who attacks another "label" of people. For example, Jews, blacks, muslims, christians, etc. There are as Mary puts, "bad apples" in each of these groups but none of them should be defined or holistically lumped into one category - "bad" - simply for the extremes.

If you have a beef with war, then take it up with those who decide to go to a specific war, not those who execute the results. Even "war" lumped into a general category is a terrible thing to do. I'm sure you do not protest the United State's involvement in World War II to stop Hitler from killing millions more Jews. You cannot take an example (the Iraq war) and then declare "All war is terrible" and still pretend to be logical.

A military is a sad necessity in our broken world. Anyone who does not believe this simply has no concept of reality - your philosophy would be one ripe for a new Germany or ambitious people to take war, oppression, and genocide to your doorstep. I am not endorsing the Iraq war (which I believe was wrong) nor am I endorsing any war for self interest. But war for self defense? Absolutely. Simply because our government has decided not to do this does not mean all or even a majority of soldiers are evil. Check your logic at the door.

[Halogen]

Amtrigan, don't bother wasting facts and logic on these idiots

"Never argue with a pig.....it doesn't do any good, and it annoys the pig"

[Mary Read]

Yup. I'd think you would be able to fetch a very nice price because of that too. More than 90K.

Doubt it... I BARELY was able to sell a house on the walls near britain with a forge on the steps for deed + 10k

[Tybalt]

And can anyone answer if having a forge on the steps is actually considered "grandfathered"?

I just bought a house from Mary yesterday that had a Vendor on the steps and a forge. I had to destroy both forges, on the steps and in the house. And redeeded the house to get rid of the vendor (which Derrick told me was the only option to get rid of it). But before I redeeded the house I asked Derrick about replaceing the forge and he told me it still could be done. I moved the house over a bit and replaced it. Then I want and bought a forge and placed it on the steps. So it still can be done.

[Blackbeard]

All I have to say is anyone who attacks the military is no better than someone who attacks another "label" of people .... I'm sure you do not protest the United State's involvement in World War II to stop Hitler from killing millions more Jews.

Exactly. By that same logic, I don't protest the grunts on the field for the German army either. Nor do I protest the men in Iraq fighting our soldiers. I'm really on neither side and choose to judge neither person because I've a lack of information. Maybe some of them really didn't know or believe their nation was committing a holocaust. There are some of those amongst them who did know, of course. As always, the blame always falls on the political and military ring-leaders (I.E. The highest chain of command). Not the poor sucker drafted wondering why the hell he's in a trench fighting for God only knows what. Maybe one should just refrain from judging altogether.

Faramir: "The enemy? His sense of duty was no less than yours, I deem. I wonder what his name is, where he comes from, and if he really was evil at heart. What lies or threats led him on this long march from home, and would he not rather have stayed there...in peace? War will make corpses of us all."

Sorry this got so off topic Shenanigans. This'll be my last post on the matter.

[tkelz448]

Hey, wanting to say thanks for joining us! Don't recall seeing what branch your joining? I'm Army, over here in Japan right now, awesome time. Was in Germany before, and Korea next!! Anyways, military is a great life, especially (medically/financially) if you have a family. Shoot me a PM sometime, wanna know what MOS you chose and where your going Basic, AIT, duty station at. Anyways, thanks and congrats all in the same!