Joined a week ago but considering leaving...

[Myg]

I appeal to all those who wish to make this shard better to end discussion on this topic.

The solution can only be found in-game and not out of it, the langauge of in-game interaction and forum interaction are quite incompatible.

Silence and thought is all that could be of any use now.

[Lucien]

I just cant see how can someone see ghosting as a good thing...

Woa, this is my first real discussion on UOSA. Is it always that tiresome?

[BobDobbs]

Because it claimed to be a recreation of T2A. I am interested in seeing if it will become one or not. Do you actually have anything to add to the discussion or is that beyond your capabilities?

Pejorative comments about UOSA making false claims don't help either, sir.

[Generic Player]

It's not pejorative, it a simple statement of fact. The website for this shard does represent itself as a recreation of T2A era UO. Huge portions of the game are inaccurate or simply broken. Several cases seem to be intentional inaccuracies introduced by PvPers wanting the shard to be their own little playground (pet follow speed, firebreathers being nerfed). Since so much of PvE is inaccurate (provoke, peacemaking, taming, most spawns, blade spirit being horribly gimped until recently, etc) there are very few PvE players here. This is not an accurate recreation of T2A era UO.

[BobDobbs]

It's not pejorative, it a simple statement of fact. The website for this shard does represent itself as a recreation of T2A era UO. Huge portions of the game are inaccurate or simply broken. Several cases seem to be intentional inaccuracies introduced by PvPers wanting the shard to be their own little playground (pet follow speed, firebreathers being nerfed). Since so much of PvE is inaccurate (provoke, peacemaking, taming, most spawns, blade spirit being horribly gimped until recently, etc) there are very few PvE players here. This is not an accurate recreation of T2A era UO.

I can't tell where the supposed facts end and the subjective value judgements and assumptions begin.

[voodoo]

Thread up here (link fixed). Also, Generic, you did seem a little pejorative there, but it's not entirely unambiguous. UOSA is not currently an accurate replication of T2A, but one could interpret what you said as accuracy being the exception rather than the rule outside of PvP, which I don't think is true.

Your point that accuracy is higher in PvP matters than elsewhere and that certain things may have been "over-tweaked" in favor of PvP playstyles is probably accurate, though I might be more inclined to say that they have been over-tweaked to fit how a small number of veteran UOSA players remember T2A.

Edit: Fixed link.

[Generic Player]

You linked to this thread. Also, it was not pejorative, it was a simple answer to a simple question. He wanted to know why I am here. I am here because I would like to play on a t2a era server, and this server presented itself as being that. I have not left because I am waiting to see for myself wether or not things will move in that direction. It is hard to be sure when the history of the server has things being made intentionally inaccurate for the convenience of gank squads.

Bob, if you think something is an assumption or a subjective statement then just say it. When you resort to just "I am going to vaguely imply you are lying but not actually come out and say it" it looks as though you are hiding behind vague statements because you are afraid to be called out on specifics.

[Ripplinger]

It seems a fairly accurate recreation of T2A as far as the game mechanics go. It definitely is not a recreation of the community that made up T2A though, and that's where the big differences are coming from. The mentality of the reds here are simply that of bullying griefers. I've also seen more reds here in 3 weeks than I did in 3 years of playing on OSI. I see even a blue player now and I take off because they're just as likely to bring in 3 PKers in 2 minutes. Pretty hard to find friends on the server when you have to do that.

Hell, even Derrick wants to move the trading forums from here because of the huge amount of time the moderators spend on cleaning up the trash-talking posts. It's that same mentality that's in game, like kids let loose on the internet without mommy and daddy watching so they can feel free to act like total jerks everywhere.

Yes, we're all used to running into them but not at the rate we do here. And I haven't found a time of day or night yet to avoid them.

Solution? I really don't see eliminating ghosting as a solution. They could just as easily have a blue player there as well. Limit number of times you can be PK'd in a 24 hour period? I'm sure the PKers wouldn't go for that though. I honestly don't see a solution. So I'll play occasionally just to not let the house and pets go, but I'm nowhere into the game like I wanted to be, I just don't see that happening here.

[BobDobbs]

Bob, if you think something is an assumption or a subjective statement then just say it. When you resort to just "I am going to vaguely imply you are lying but not actually come out and say it" it looks as though you are hiding behind vague statements because you are afraid to be called out on specifics.

Just because someone sees something different in a situation does not mean they're a liar. People can be wrong without being liars.

What you call hiding I call tact.

[voodoo]

You know, when I read Myg's post up at the top of this page, I thought "But why?"

But now I see. Well played, sir.

[Halogen]

Exactly....the vast majority of posters here are advocating changes in era accuracy, which isn't going to happen.....this sort of thread has been here time and time again, and has never resulted in anything.

Derrick cannot legally charge for people to play the shard, and he has spent way more than he has ever gotten in donations to try to upgrade servers, fix hardware and software issues, etc (notice I have put my money where my mouth is on a regular basis by the way)....Derrick has essentially spent a large percentage of his free time creating and maintaining the best server in existence (obviously in my and many other's opinions).

Ghosting was not only totally era accurate, it was a huge part of the game in this era.

Gank squads were a huge part of the game in this era, and they used ghosting as a very effective tool to do so.

Anti's used ghosting in this era, and it was very effective for them as well.

Some shards were massively blue anti dominated, while others were massively red pk dominated.

All of them had ghosting as a basic part of game mechanics.

Whether a shard was one way or the other, or somewhere in between in terms of guild makeup/population/etc, ghosting was a part of game mechanics in all of them in this era.

Within the confines of these and other game mechanics, you have the right and the responsibility to make the shard what you envision....as TG and others have already done in many diverse and fascinating ways.

Thanks for listening.

[BobDobbs]

Exactly....the vast majority of posters here are advocating changes in era accuracy, which isn't going to happen.....this sort of thread has been here time and time again, and has never resulted in anything.

Derrick cannot legally charge for people to play the shard, and he has spent way more than he has ever gotten in donations to try to upgrade servers, fix hardware and software issues, etc (notice I have put my money where my mouth is on a regular basis by the way)....Derrick has essentially spent a large percentage of his free time creating and maintaining the best server in existence (obviously in my and many other's opinions).

Ghosting was not only totally era accurate, it was a huge part of the game in this era.

Gank squads were a huge part of the game in this era, and they used ghosting as a very effective tool to do so.

Anti's used ghosting in this era, and it was very effective for them as well.

Some shards were massively blue anti dominated, while others were massively red pk dominated.

All of them had ghosting as a basic part of game mechanics.

Whether a shard was one way or the other, or somewhere in between in terms of guild makeup/population/etc, ghosting was a part of game mechanics in all of them in this era.

Within the confines of these and other game mechanics, you have the right and the responsibility to make the shard what you envision....as TG and others have already done in many diverse and fascinating ways.

Thanks for listening.

These are all pretty solid points and I would add that Razor gives players abilities to escape from hostile situations that did not exist in era. The one solid retort I can think of to this is that multiple instances of UO required multiple machines to do it on. I had access to such a situation, but I was a huge nerd so I think I was in the minority.

Do I like ghosting in the way its used here? Not really. But there are ways to deal with it.

[Generic Player]

Bob, it isn't a question of your wording, it is a question of your vagueness. If you think I am incorrect about something, say it. Are you afraid you will get proven wrong if you actually point to something specific?

Halogen, I am pretty sure the devs stated that less than 10% of players were red, claiming that any server was "red dominated" is silly. The highest red population was SP obviously, and it still wasn't "red dominated". And as I said, I played atlantic which was widely considered one of the more PK/douchebag heavy servers. Ghosting was very rare in era, and having spent a lot of time hidden in dungeons on my steath bomber, the number of blues vs reds going through the hotspots I hid in was easily 30:1 or higher. Virtually the only ghosting done was while people were stuck macroing off murder counts and had nothing else they could do with the account. And they did not have automatic "come gank someone now" alerts back then, they actually had to watch. Just because something would have been possible in era does not mean having 90% of players doing it multiple times over is "era accurate". This selectively appealing to era accuracy when it suits people seems very common here. Like how is it "era accurate" to have 6 ghosts watching your favorite gank spots, but when someone else comes to check where your ghost is and puts a dozen dragons just off screen, era accuracy doesn't matter any more and its time to nerf dragons.

[BobDobbs]

Bob, it isn't a question of your wording, it is a question of your vagueness. If you think I am incorrect about something, say it. Are you afraid you will get proven wrong if you actually point to something specific?

Okay, I think you're wrong.

I wasn't being vague out of fear, I was being vague because you seem to have an emotional investment in the argument and saying that didn't seem like it would really help anything.

[Generic Player]

Obviously you think I am wrong. I am asking you to stop being vague and point to what statement I made specifically that you think is wrong. I am not sure how I can make this any more clear to be honest, I have said it repeatedly now. Pick a statement you think is wrong, otherwise I can not offer a rebuttal and you are simply hiding behind vagueness.