Clothing Bless Deeds

[Mens Rea]

You have a vested interest in that outcome though. As do I, but I would prefer fair, accurate t2a. You can't just jump in and screw new players all the time.

I'm not saying anything that would remove anything from new players.

New players would have nothing taken away from them - their clothing bless deed status would remain the status quo.

What I am proposing would only maintain a benefit the veterans had from their hard work in the past.

Not to mention - if anyone screws new players it is you, you greasy scamming funter.

[BlackFoot]

It is quite baffling though how the staff made a decision that completely ignores era accuracy simply because Blackfoot and company do not wish to damage their trammel while PvPing or whatever.

Proof pls with examples

Yet, a double hally hit was implemented based off a loosely translated asian website and a random google group post that had little or no specifics was implemented rather swiftly(later corrected).

Proof pls with examples

So, is the deciding factor then not era accuracy and instead who it effects? If Blackfoot disagrees, it won't get changed no matter how much factual data you provide? Apparently, it seems the case with this specific topic.

Proof pls with examples

In all likelihood though, if it is changed, the pre-acquired trammel will be converted to "gm gifts for rp'ing", so that they can have their indestructible nature to protect Blackfoot. If you're going to exhibit bias as developers and administration, at least be honest about it.

Proof pls with examples

Duno why you pulled my name outta the air to make yourself look like a retard.

[Panthor the Hated]

You seem to have enraged the blackfoot

[Loathed]

well it's been talked about for a while now, i remember bitching previously about how blessed items are not destructible here. And the only argument that held any water what so ever, is that our player base isn't equal to that of osi. Unfortunately the water that argument holds is rather tiny. Blessed items could be destroyed during the times of t2a I played. It reflects the era we're going for. I can't wait for it to be a reality here as well.

I saw a few posts about folks saying they're clothing and what not never broke. It is suppose to break I lost every pair of blessed black sandals on OSI servers due to item dmg from hits. This change, should it take place, will be the best for the server since we do strive for era accuracy.

Bring back honor thee bug! ;p ok i'm out, flame on

[noxmonk]

You seem to have enraged the blackfoot

You can always tell when you've enraged someone when all they can do is ignore facts brought to the table on the topic and focus on the poster.

[BlackFoot]

when you provide some facts, i can ignore them.

[BobDobbs]

Why is Blackfoot the face of this? Has he been winning a bunch of tournaments on a secret character or something?

[Mikel123]

Blackfoot, many people have spent a lot of time looking through Groups archives for info on this, and it's been linked (including in this thread) probably a half dozen times. Additionally, I've explained why the items would break, as has Kaivan in previous posts, and a number of other people.

Continuing to hold your hands over your ears and pretend you're deaf is really disappointing. I think people have more than humored your request.

[ClowN]

blessed clothing (and all other blessed items) would break in era. anyone arguing otherwise has either had their memory polluted by years of runuo experiences, or is just plain dumb. ALL blessed gear was breakable. I had a vanq kryss that was blessed right at the beginning of UOR that i destroyed. It was heartbreaking when it happened. shields/armor/clothing would break VERY fast if attacked by a mace fighter. the blessed tag had no effect on durability. If blessed clothing is indestructible right now, it should be corrected.

[TI_Smithy]

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[BlackFoot]

Blackfoot, many people have spent a lot of time looking through Groups archives for info on this, and it's been linked (including in this thread) probably a half dozen times. Additionally, I've explained why the items would break, as has Kaivan in previous posts, and a number of other people.

Continuing to hold your hands over your ears and pretend you're deaf is really disappointing. I think people have more than humored your request.

I think you have not read my posts in this thread or any other thread I have made on this subject. My posts in this thread aren't directed at you or about the accuracy of clothing bless deeds. My posts have been about noxmonk making random hilarious accusations towards me for whatever reason then not being able to back any of them up or provide examples.

[Mikel123]

Got it, point taken. Sorry for misunderstanding.

[Matty]

your arguments are weak and transparent

you all are worthless and weak. now drop, and give me 20.

[Homie]

It's a waste of time trying to argue that clothing didn't break. That's just derailing the thread. See this if you're interested in being a troll until someone proves you wrong again:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20056#p176547

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=20056
Proven to be true in this thread. Nothing was done about it. Matron is just bringing it up again being that the main rallying cry against it was the silver system. Now that it's off that it seems like a reasonable question.

Tho only thing proven in this thread was the fact that the 'evidence' was from 2001 and thus out of our target date.


One of the quotes (just for example): http://groups.google.com/group/rec.game ... 08ab753917

No they cant. I have had mine for a long long time - nothing has happened.
To be damaged an item has to cover a hit location and feets are not one.
Thigh boots are because they cover your legs, therefore they also give you
AR.
Look on stratics for hit locations

Doesn't sound definite to me that ALL blessed items broke at this time (out of target date)

Lets count some facts:
1. All your Evidences are out of the target date (or don't we have a target date anymore?)
2. More than the half of the 20 pages thread you are referring to was about compensation (so very far away from what i would call a useful thread)
3. Given that the breakability of blessed clothing is era acc it doesnt affect the server goal perceptibly - but it affects the economy like a crash
4. The brought up sources and memories from players are no official patch notes. They are rather speculation and guessing or people that are convinced that they know some facts for sure. (Memories are a bitch)
5. The shard does very well without another disputed change you guys are focusing on.


Before Implementing the breakability the pro and cons especially regarding the possible benefit for the shard should be reconsidered very carefully. Look at the quote from ABJ and you can see the inconsistencies. And don't bring up old threads that prove nothing. Read your evidence instead of just referring to it.

[MatronDeWinter]

Homie,
Whether or not they were breakable in t2a is not in question. Even the patch notes agree that blessed items were breakable. The patch for clothing bless deeds only states that the item will only become blessed. No mention of magical non-breakable qualities.

The big debate here, is whether or not UOSA wants to truly be era-accurate. Since these items have finally been introduced in an era-accurate fashion, it seems to me that now would be the perfect time to make them breakable across the board. If they are not breakable, then those wasting silver on the item have already been nerfed, which would not be unlike anything that ever happened in era. I can't remember how many times I had my items nerfed in t2a. If they all become breakable then nothing changes aside from a move towards a more accurate t2a. Grandfathering only further increases the difference between vet players and newer ones, who are already at a significant disadvantage having missed the time when gold flowed like fortified wine from a canadian fountain, trophies sold for 2k a point, and resist gains were less than a day to gm.

The great thing about UO, was that even the new player could start up and not be at a huge disadvantage because the game was not inherently item based. Granted, blessed items have no real weight, grandfathering still acts as a sort of vet reward which we all know just did not exist in t2a, and these items have a unique monetary value none the less.

Now that everyone has had time to buy/trade/sell these clothing bless deeds all around, paying prices occasionally as high as their old silver-system counterpart, all the while believing them to be identical to the ones received from the silver system, it would make little sense to differentiate between the two items.

I know that it's in everyone who owns CBD's best interest to keep the items unbreakable, but that's just not how T2A worked, and for a server with a successful era-accurate mission statement, it would be quite contradictory not to act now while the opportunity is present.

Need I remind you that it was this type of "voting by the masses" that drove the original Ultima Online to install the trammel ruleset, among other things.