Account Termination

[goldendog]

As promised, here was the only on forums reply to the offer:
Subject: Taking offers

ill buy your 6 m gold for 400k

lol

[Braden]

If you knew anything about contract law then you'd know that a contract is not binding without CONSIDERATION.

But hey - I don't expect laypeople to understand the finer points of what they are talking about when they get into legal discussions. Let me boil it down for you - OFFER + ACCEPTANCE + CONSIDERATION FLOWING BETWEEN THE PARTIES + INTENTION TO CREATE LEGAL RELATIONS = CONTRACT. Sorry nancy boy but not today.

Derrick doesn't need to rely on contract law - there is no consideration flowing between the users and Derrick which creates a binding contract. Rather, Derrick let's people connect to his private property - akin to letting people into his house - and he can let people in and out as he pleases. It doesn't matter what Derrick purports to be a "contract" - it is unenforceable on his side, and it is unenforceable on our side. Don't even try to pretend you know the first thing about contract law. You didn't get lazy, you just all of a sudden realized that you have no idea what you are talking about.

For some states a verbal contract requires a neutral third-party witness that cannot be disputed by either party. For most states, verbal contracts are not honored. For inter-state and international contracts verbal agreements are not honored. In addition, all in-game items, wares, goods, etc. are the sole property of UOSA. Since no lease of said items has been agreed to, no other party may claim right to those items.

[Braden]

Agreed with the action here. BeatingU was an ok guy, but he had this coming in a lot of different ways for awhile. The dude was just plain dishonest in all dealings here (in comically stupid ways a lot of the time).

I do have a question though, relating sort of back to the Chaos/Pristiq post. Say I am broke as hell in RL (I am), but I want to help out the shard with donations. Would it be alright to sell ingame gold/items to help the shard? Transactions could be done transparently in the forums, and all proof would take was a screenshot of the payment made.

In the past, I've thought of doing something similar to a White Elephant Auction, with ingame stuff, and RL donations. It would be awesome (and helpful to the shard), but the "legality" of the thing seemed iffy.

No. If you want to help the shard but do not have enough money to donate, you can always help new users, run events, or do other things that help out the userbase and the shard.

I will point out though that if the standard donation is $15; I hear a lot of people say that they cannot afford that; however, if you were to skip McDonald's at least twice in one month, you would have covered the cost of donating to the shard.

[Braden]

I do have a question though, relating sort of back to the Chaos/Pristiq post. Say I am broke as hell in RL (I am), but I want to help out the shard with donations. Would it be alright to sell ingame gold/items to help the shard? Transactions could be done transparently in the forums, and all proof would take was a screenshot of the payment made.

No because there is far too much room for exploiting something like that.

Indeed, give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

If you are broke IRL and you want to help the shard, there are many ways to do this. Help a new player get started (training, tips, etc). Answer questions in IRC or on forums. Get involved with the community.

AS A REASON TO JUSTIFY ASKING FOR GOLD TO PURCHASE GOLD AS PART OF AN ACCOUNT.

Not to butt in to your argument, but it is absurd to charge gold for gold. If I give you 5mil gp plus other goods, and then you give me 10mil gp as payment, why wouldn't you just give me 5mil gp for the goods and call it even?

Actually, most countries have laws against that.

Example: The value of $1 will always be $1 if you are trading USD for USD.

If you want to trade it (the dollar) for another currency, you can determine a fair market value for the currencies by using economic indicators and sentiment (i.e. something is always worth what the buyer is willing to pay for it). Generally speaking though, we would prefer 1 gold to always equal 1 gold. Now the intrinsic value of that 1 gold might change in-line with in-game inflation.

[Blaise]

For what it's worth, somewhat related to the topic, and just to get my two cents in, I had an opportunity for IRL services impacting in-game economy.
I provided some quality time in Vent helping a guildmate with their PC problems, much more than the help I tried to give Paradox recently.
When we were successful in saving the PC, the person said "Anything you need, just let me know". (Note: They did NOT imply in-game in any way, just the term 'anything' which as you might understand is a figure of speach when someone helps you a lot.)

Had I been a lamer, I could have easily asked for any number of in-game riches or rewards for my services.

To me, that's not the point of the game. I've had a lot of help from my guild but I've also put in a lot of time and work to get where I am in the game so far.
I'm not going to sully that by cheating my way to a higher level of wealth or what have you, by negotiating out of game.

In-game transactions with real world currency or services were the original point of downfall for OSI, in my opinion. The shards wouldn't have gone to shit nearly as fast if people couldn't buy their way into a 5x7GM account with a castle, etc.

There is no reason to do this on a free shard, especially this one. If you want to buy your way to the top, I'm sure there are plenty of admins who will take a 'donation' on other shards for you to have whatever you want.

P.S. Derrick, I'll give you $20 for a purple horse with 100000hp. <-----------JOKE!!!

[BenBrawl]

One of the biggest reasons i even started here was because you couldnt buy your way. you have to actually work for it

[Blaise]

One of the biggest reasons i even started here was because you couldnt buy your way. you have to actually work for it

You know what's crazy, is how easy it is to get on your feet.
In the first week here, people had given me, and my two children, around 10k gold and a bunch of armor/weapons, just to get started.
Granted, we also got PKed the first day, errr, and the next, but that's the beauty of this shard.

There are so many helpful people here, that it makes the shard worth playing and doing it the hard way.
A guy logged on here for the first time yesterday and hit IRC first. I told him where to find me and, albeit I was late, but I dropped him a GM Dex suit, Mace of Force and a basic Runebook I had laying around half full of runes, that I filled with scrolls before handing it off.

That is what makes this a great place and keep the good people around. Not illicit trades with nefarious people.

[Proto]

Problem is, much like the killing of Osama the other day, (0 proof). In this instance again nothing was proven, even if you wanted to just let the person know who was banned what the evidence was that would be great. Derrick told Beatingu he sent him an email addressing the situation, no email was ever recceived. I'm not saying he was lying, but no email ever entered his inbox from Derrick. Maybe it went to junk mail and instantly was deleted. But I'm sure he would have heard from other users by now that his emails went to the junk folder.
Also, the last contribution Beatingu made weeks before his ban was to inform Derrick about a bug that could breach any cy or any keep walls. Derrick will verify that Beatingu did infact how Derrick this bug. The next thing to happen after that was the termination of all his accounts.

[Pac]

lots of words

[Brules]

BeatingU isnt the only one to have dished on the CY/Keep bug. LoL.....not spechul.

Take it to the IPY2 forums Proto....you 2 will fit in nicely over there.

[iamreallysquall]

Also, the last contribution Beatingu made weeks before his ban was to inform Derrick about a bug that could breach any cy or any keep walls. Derrick will verify that Beatingu did infact how Derrick this bug. The next thing to happen after that was the termination of all his accounts.

2 different things entirely and might i add that 'bug' was told to derrick by more then 1 person as the person who showed Bebanningu the bug had been offered 1 million by beatingu and then he scammed him hence why all the castle turned into keeps and runes were passed out to the once existing castles.

[Pirul]

This thread deserves to either be stickied, as an example for other lamers who want to sell their IG stuff for RL cash, or sent to Trash Talk.

Proto,

I don't know if you have kids, but I'll tell you what mine does. When he poops his diaper, he will stand really still, and move as little as possible because he knows that if he's moving around and jumping up and down he's gonna smear that crap everywhere. You/BeatingU should take a lesson from my kid, when you're in a shitty situation, don't make a big fuss.

[Mikel123]

This thread deserves to either be stickied, as an example for other lamers who want to sell their IG stuff for RL cash, or sent to Trash Talk.

Proto,

I don't know if you have kids, but I'll tell you what mine does. When he poops his diaper, he will stand really still, and move as little as possible because he knows that if he's moving around and jumping up and down he's gonna smear that crap everywhere. You/BeatingU should take a lesson from my kid, when you're in a shitty situation, don't make a big fuss.

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[Proto]

Trying to discredit Beatingu after all the slander you guys have laid against him is basically pointless. Actions always speak louder then words. Beatingu reported the bug, Derrick thanked Beatingu after a through demonstration. Every last one of you who has popped out of the wood work to speak negativity has done so not because they care at all about this situation, but because of the absolute dominance in which he played his role on uosa. Where it be Pvping, greifing, or in game scamming, he completely dominated every single person he faced (his brothers in his guild exempted). His style of play may have been different from your style, but that is uo in a nutshell. Play how you want to play in this big open world. If you couldnt take it during this era, there was EQ.
So keep on slandering him from your forum accounts that dont even match your in game character names, keep hiding behind those words, because words will all you will ever be able to accomplish in his world. I am starting a free Beatingu campaign! You will lol and whatever else comes to your forum/irc warrior minds, but mark my words, one day, Beatingu will walk the realm of uosa once more!

Oh and Pirul,

So happy to hear that you have brought new life into this world! But i am saddened that you choose to spend your time in cyber space away from your responsibilities as a parent. But i fear it is a trap many parents fall into these days, i wish you the best of luck.

[Blaise]

OMFGLEET!!!! Utter dominance in PvP, griefing and scamming.
Three things I don't do, including two that I will never do, period.

Why no sympathy gais?

I was talking to BeatingU in IRC when this whole shit was going down. My best analogy was the time I spent on www.callofduty.com forums, in the years I spent playing that.
I own Black Ops on multiple consoles, because my friends are all over the place, so I spent time in 360 & PS3 forums.

When the ban hammer started swinging, per the TOS and EULA of the game itself, there was at least one new thread every day from someone who's PS3 could no longer connect to the CoD servers and they claimed they 'did nothing wrong'.

I'm not saying he ever cheated, because he obviously has player skill in this game, but the evidence he himself provided in his defense was quite thin and easy to dismiss.
When everyone who plays here, as a good honest player (PKs and goodie two-shoes alike), knows that Derrick is fair and also attentive to detail, why would anyone take the word of one of the shard's most well known griefers?


Ever been to court as a criminal in real life?

This is just a game. It's time to move on.
Please do so and save the drama for your next IG life. Perhaps one might consider turning over a new leaf and building a good honest reputation?

I understand you're his IRL friend for a decade, so I can't imagine you'll be around long. Please let us know when you last refresh your homes.
That'd be greaaat.