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Re: Hally hit damage and hit % have been nerfed

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Malaikat wrote:
chumbucket wrote: Sorry, but you have no clue what they mean.
I know you are, but what am I....

Your post. It is very informative. Perhaps, though, you would like to give it some more substance. You've obviously found my previous statements about obscure mathematical theory to be unsatisfactory, but, to this point, no one knows why.
For any given formal proof system, there will be mathematical truths that the proof system cant prove. Proof systems are necessarily incomplete in that sense. Math itself don't care....

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chumbucket wrote:For any given formal proof system, there will be mathematical truths that the proof system cant prove. Proof systems are necessarily incomplete in that sense. Math itself don't care....
Prove it.
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Re: Hally hit damage and hit % have been nerfed

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chumbucket wrote:For any given formal proof system, there will be mathematical truths that the proof system cant prove. Proof systems are necessarily incomplete in that sense. Math itself don't care....
Math isn't robust enough, in a given axiom, to prove that itself is true or consistent. Math may not care, but systems that rely on the accuracies and stability of mathematics care a great deal. Systems like physics and probability/statistics.
riant wrote:Prove it.
Godel already has.
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The whole point is that math isn't something that is merely a matter of a formal proof system. This doesn't affect anything that relies on math. It just shows what math isn't. Godel's Theorems are constantly misunderstood in the way you are misunderstanding them.

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You can not derive absolute truth from a system that can not prove itself to be absolutely true. The statements, "numbers don't lie" or "math doesn't lie" can not possibly be true as per Godel's theorems. The end.

Simply write a godelian equation, and math will lie to you, or, as I've already stated, you can explore one of the many mathematical anomalies inherent to even algebraic systems. The fact that .(9) = 1, for instance. And that's not even introducing complex/imaginary numbers, whereby you can make practically anything equal anything else.

v = square root

(5+v-15)+(5-v-15) = 5+5 = 10
and
(5+v-15)X(5-v-15) = (5X5)+5v-15-5v-5-(v-15Xvi-15) = (5X5)-(-15) = 25+15 = 40

Reference, pg 32

One, Two, Three Infinity by George Gamow is a fantastic book by the way. I recommend it to anyone who is interested in cosmology or theoretical physics.
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So many experts with such a dizzying intellect. I look forward to seeing them winning the Fields Medal or the Millenium Prize.

Alas, I cannot compete with such genius.

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P.S. I still have yet to see any real proof of this in-game.
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Light Shade wrote:So many experts with such a dizzying intellect. I look forward to seeing them winning the Fields Medal or the Millenium Prize.

Alas, I cannot compete with such genius.

-L/S

P.S. I still have yet to see any real proof of this in-game.
perhaps all that is needed is one vial of iocane powder and two goblets... let the battle of wits begin. INCONCEIVABLE!!!!

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Re: Hally hit damage and hit % have been nerfed

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i can't believe i read this entire thread.. i don't play a hally mage or a potion chugger. it was a good read though, fellas! socratic and empiric arguments of logic concerning halberds... Godel got brought in?! lol bravo!!! thanks for helping me waste 10 minutes.

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