Meditation, Inscription, and Magery

[EVeee]

GM mage casting 8th level spell is supposed to be 50% chance
GM scribe inscribing 8th is slightly higher chance
However
-And I've said this before-
I frequently fail 7 to 8 attempts in a row at either one
But never succeed more than three times in a row
And I've been doing this for months
Which means if it was simple bad luck, the pendulum should have swung the other way a long time ago
Also
In era, I don't ever remember failing a med attempt at GM skill regardless of my mana
Yet here, between 0 and 15 mana, with GM med I fail well over 50% of the time

[Ronk]

As I understand scrolls, a scroll treats the spell as if it was two circles lower. Thus at GM magery you have 100% chance to successfully cast a 6th circle spell. Therefore, you have a 100% chance to successfully cast an 8th circle scroll.

Hence why I always carried scrolls on GL way back in the day. When I wanted to resurrect someone I didn't want an embarrassing fizzle.

Other then this, I have no clue what you are trying to say except that you fail meditation...

[archaicsubrosa77]

If you fail meditation at GM levels you are either drunk, or wearing really heavy armour.

[EVeee]

Other then this, I have no clue what you are trying to say except that you fail meditation...

At GM Inscription, fail to inscribe 8th level scrolls 7-8 times in a row frequently.
At GM Magery, fail to cast 8th level spells (not from scrolls) 7-8 times in a row frequently.
Never, ever succeed more than 3 or 4 times in a row, which could be attributed to bad luck except that it is a many month-long phenomenon.

If you fail meditation at GM levels you are either drunk, or wearing really heavy armour.

Incorrect. I wear a newbie robe only.

[Caswallon]

I think your off the mark there archaic. I fail to med at 15< mana quite frequently on GM charecters. 10< especially. And im in cloth, and sober.

[Faust]

Meditation does seem a bit off in regard to the success rates.

I don't ever remember failing so often at the 0-15 range either.

[EVeee]

Meditation does seem a bit off in regard to the success rates.

I don't ever remember failing so often at the 0-15 range either.

I should have phrased it more like that.
I can't swear that you'd never fail at GM med back in the day, but I'm sure that it was so infrequent that I don't remember it happening.

[Mikel123]

Get 100 of each reagent for a level 8 spell like Earthquake, and cast it 100 times, recording the results. I'd bet it's close to 50%, and it's simply your selective memory that's the issue.

For what it's worth, stratics says it's 50% to cast a level 8 magery spell at GM, but I kind of feel like it was lower than that back in the day... like 40-45%.

[EVeee]

Get 100 of each reagent for a level 8 spell like Earthquake, and cast it 100 times, recording the results. I'd bet it's close to 50%, and it's simply your selective memory that's the issue.

Any GM willing to oversee this bet? Because I'm calling him on it.

200 of each reagent. 100k gold. Sweeter deal for you since I'll be using my supplies.

[Ronk]

Get 100 of each reagent for a level 8 spell like Earthquake, and cast it 100 times, recording the results. I'd bet it's close to 50%, and it's simply your selective memory that's the issue.

Any GM willing to oversee this bet? Because I'm calling him on it.

200 of each reagent. 100k gold. Sweeter deal for you since I'll be using my supplies.

There are plenty of people who would broker the deal for ya. Though I think 200 castings is a bit of overkill. Also, you'd have to agree on what 'close' to 50% means.

[EVeee]

There are plenty of people who would broker the deal for ya. Though I think 200 castings is a bit of overkill. Also, you'd have to agree on what 'close' to 50% means.

The more you cast, the more of a true representation it is.
Agree on the 50% part, but I think we'd just have to call it 50% and higher he wins, 49% and lower I win. Because I'm very sure of myself here, but that doesn't mean it should be slanted in the other guy's favor from the get-go. Like I said already, my reagents = better deal for him.

[Hoots]

As I understand scrolls, a scroll treats the spell as if it was two circles lower. Thus at GM magery you have 100% chance to successfully cast a 6th circle spell. Therefore, you have a 100% chance to successfully cast an 8th circle scroll.

Hence why I always carried scrolls on GL way back in the day. When I wanted to resurrect someone I didn't want an embarrassing fizzle.

Other then this, I have no clue what you are trying to say except that you fail meditation...

On OSI scrolls were not as powerful as the spell. I remember while struggling to PvP with a half built mage i would use explo and eb scrolls. (Also, there was a time that scrolls cost 1/2 the mana, i think it was 1/2 the mana to scribe and 1/2 to cast IIRC)

In regards to level 8 without any real attack spells (how often do you use eq...)

Is there any disadvantage of using scrolls for EV's or other summons? Are they weaker or last shorter?

Scrolls cost more to make as the fail rate is the same and casting and you are adding/losing scrolls but this post has me thinking it is very common for my tamer to fail an EV 3 or 4 times in a row...

[Ronk]

Perhaps attack spells from scrolls are weaker because the eval int isn't factored in? I never heard of scrolls just naturally being weaker. *shrug*

[Hoots]

and on the med dont forget most fails are from having 100 skill and 105int with the wiz cap.

from strats back in the day...

I do remember failing med, but this was mostly on a scriber with ezmacros running scrolls and who would often be at less than 5/105 mana.

I looked for a med success formula and couldnt quickly find one.

"Gaining meditation skill
Like any other skill, meditation can be trained. You gain skill by using the skill or you can buy your first skill points in meditation from a wandering mage or mage guildmaster. From 0 to 12 points meditation will raise very fast. Whether you succeed or fail in the skill, you will still gain. From 12 points onward it becomes a little harder. The chance of successful meditation is directly linked to your mana level. When your skill is low you will only succeed in meditation if your mana level has dropped a little under maximum. The higher your meditation skill gets, the lower you can let your mana drop and still be able to meditate. This is what most people refer to as 'a difficulty based skill'. To actually gain skill you have to meditate when it is hard for you to succeed in the skill. Someone with 80 meditation skill will succesfully meditate if he dropped 10 mana points below maximum, but he will not gain skill, the meditation attempt was too easy for that. To gain skill he would have to let his mana level drop much more before starting to meditate. To calculate at which mana level you should start to meditate for a high chance of skill increase use the following formula:

Mana level percentage for high chance of skill gain = 100 - meditation skill

So at 80 meditation skill you would need to let your mana level drop to 20% of it's maximum to gain skill while meditating. You can let it drop 10% more than that, but then you wil most probably fail to meditate. The 'sweet spot' where you can gain skill seems to be between mana levels from (90 - meditation skill) to (120 - meditation skill). "

[Mikel123]

Get 100 of each reagent for a level 8 spell like Earthquake, and cast it 100 times, recording the results. I'd bet it's close to 50%, and it's simply your selective memory that's the issue.

Any GM willing to oversee this bet? Because I'm calling him on it.

200 of each reagent. 100k gold. Sweeter deal for you since I'll be using my supplies.

I don't have either... I'm new to the shard and any gold I raise is going towards training characters at this point. Faust or someone who looks at the code could pretty easily give us an exact number, I'd think. I also don't really give a shit... I'm just sick of hearing people bitch about randomization when they fail a few times in a row, miss their hally hit a few times in a row, etc.