Should there be another CUB?

[platypus]

I thought it was great fun. First I spent hours buying heating stands (which were better than wizard hats, on a ticket-per-gp basis) until all the vendors were at 999. All of the exploits were fixed within a day or two of CUB being started. Then I cleaned out all my junk items, macroed on a smith and tailor and constantly mined/bought out hides to supply my macroers. I remember a certain player flipping out on me because I bought out one of the hide vendors before he got there and raging on IRC over worthless hides. I ended up macroing on 1 or 2 crafters basically until the end of the event. It put more of a "race against time" element into the game, since it wasn't announced when CUB was going to end. I got 5 statuettes, some singing crystal balls, a few neon hair/beard dyes and two furniture dye tubs in the end.

Some people hit the exploits way harder than myself and got 3+ million tickets (including Grizzly Adams, which is the reason why the new owner of his account doesn't want another CUB). These are the people that don't want another one. They have dozens of neon hair dyes, clothing bless deeds, etc. that they are trying to sell for 10x the price they went for after CUB ended. I remember seeing neon hair dyes selling for 20-30k. The people selling these for 10x that price are the truly lazy ones. They would rather rip off newbs on items they got through exploits than farm gold like everyone else. They try to convince Derrick to not have another CUB so they can continue ripping off players that started since last January. A clothing bless deed should not cost more than two castle deeds put together, which is what you'd pay for one right now if you bought all the trophies at an average price.

[tekai]

A clothing bless deed should not cost more than two castle deeds put together, which is what you'd pay for one right now if you bought all the trophies at an average price.

Thats it pretty much right there.

Make it only magic items or something realistic, anything so as long as these items spawn again for the newer generations.

[Mikel123]

Era accurate was only 1 CUB. Era accurate was the second CUB ended, people hoarded to wait for the next CUB. ERA accurate is those people never getting it and basically wasting years of hoarding sh1t.

PLEASE stop making this "point" - not just you, everyone. Era accurate means we'd have Trammel by now. Era accuracy regarding a timeline cannot occur in a shard that is "stuck" in one period. Era accuracy regarding mechanics and items is what we're going for. Era accuracy regarding events is impossible.

I've said it before, but this shard is Groundhog's Day. The place is the same every day; the difference is what you make of each new day under the same rules. And events do happen, over and over.

[Stranger]

Aye, good points. I cant see any reason anyone would say no to this other then to keep their CUB items rare. Its not so much the items for me, im a tamer so I could easily just farm for the gold to buy almost anything I wanted in the game, and I just sold a neon dye a couple weeks ago, I dont even use them to be honest. I used one beard dye and thats it. Its just it would be nice to have somthing fun liek this where everyoen is racing to the finish to get as much as they can before its over. A guy can only kill so many liches before he needs a break for somthing else .

Stranger. What is this "event" you are talking about? Explain to me how CUB was or would be an event.

People cleaned their houses out. FOr 95% of this shard that takes less than 2 hours.
Then people afk'd crafting for days.
The end

I could see people claiming it would make dungeons hot spots bc of farming items and reds farming farmers but that simply didnt or wouldnt happen. The law of UO is everyone will do the easiest method for items/skills/gold/rewards/etc. That hasnt changed in 10 years of this game!


So there are 2 sides. Tha "haves" who dont want another CUB and the "have nots" who want one. Both are claiming the otherside has selfish motivation and both sides are most likely right.

You continue to miss my point. You keep maintaining that I want another CUB because I didnt get any of the items from it. I bought a bunch of the hair dye when it was 40k per. I have no use for them. I do not like the neon hair. I used one neon beard dye and that is it. I just sold a neon dye for 270k the other day, and yet I still want my stuff to devalue by having another CUB, simply because the event would be fun to me. I am into the crafting/farming aspect of UO, as strange as that sounds. Lets be honest, all these items you think that I want so bad from CUB, I could have with very minimal effort if I wanted them. I can easily farm several hundreds of thousands worth of gold per day. Ask Platy, I bought a tower from him by farming for 2 days. So wheres the big gain I will get from being a "Have not." I simply want somthing new, and to experence the fun I would have during a CUB event. And others seem to agree with me. In fact, i've noticed the only people who seem to not agree are those who have hoarded tons of shit they got off CUB and are worried about their stuff decreasing in value. Well, that IS era accurate. Almost everytime OSI gave out somthing it eventually became less rare. I.E. hair dyes being made purchaseable on vendors, necro regs, ect.

[Kraarug]

There is 2.8 million items on the shard, it's time to clean it up.

Those that argue against an annual event seem to be those that have benefitted from last years event and want to keep the value of their rewards high.

There is no technical or era accurate reason why CUB should not be an annual event.

Era accurate was only 1 CUB. Era accurate was the second CUB ended, people hoarded to wait for the next CUB. ERA accurate is those people never getting it and basically wasting years of hoarding sh1t.

I have benefited from it, but as many people said items are available with points... so in theory they are available to all.

Rares/Holiday gifts/Cub/Vet rewards/etc... no one is entiltled to any of them. If you miss the boat, you missed it... If you didnt and you banked the items you see 1000% + returns... that is the UO i remember...

This year will mark the 10 year anniversary from the real CUB. This event should be marked with a CUB of UOSA. I see no reason, besides a weak attempt at control of the rares market, to not hold one this year.

It would probably be wise of Derrick to state, after the celebration of 10 yrs since the real CUB and Trinsic Invations, that the next one will not occur until X years later.

Are you really trying to argue that 'era accurate is only one CUB'? Are you aware that you are on a T2A shard?? The whole primise is to play UO stuck in in this era.

[Kraarug]

Running it again does not hurt the shard, it only diminishes the market hold those that have benefited from the first one.

Regular CUBs would just dilute the stupid prices that are being demanded by those that capitalized on the first CUB. It's just a thin attempt at market control.

When one of these players runs low on funds or wants some rare a noob got from a house fall they just cash in one of their CUB items and they are off and running again.

And the suggestion, "Just give out Vet rewards" does nothing but benefit those dont' want a CUB anyway.

[JoshuaLee]

I like our little uo economy and I would hate to see it shattered, I am against the CUB. I think perhaps in about two years it might be a possibility, but we just had one last December. That is why people are selling their neon dyes because they are worried this might happen again in winter.

I think if we were going to have another CUB, it should be in at least another two years before it happens. Kind of like the second age restarting it's cycle in a way you know what I mean? Because the second age era was only alive for so long before trammel was created. I think it would make sense if someday it cycled back to when second age started, like the timeframe be the same.

But to have it every year would just hinder how great CUB truly is. Those of us that were there take pride in working hard for our tickets and would hate to see it happen again so soon.

[Kraarug]

Here is the Post concerning the last CUB.

http://forum.uosecondage.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3430

I think I saw one of the medium ticket items go for 1 million gp and then get scammed away.

And that was just ONE item.

Seems a group of few people have a lot of things riding on keeping CUB and the related items rare.

In celebration of our One Year Anniversary, a Clean-Up Britannia event will begin tomorrow morning with shard restart that will run for at least two weeks.

For those who don't know what this system is read the original OSI patch note here:
http://wiki.uosecondage.com/index.php?t ... 10/15/1999

Our system will almost exactly mimic the OSI system but with a few differences.

There will be no Item Bless Deeds, these have been replaced with Clothing Bless Deeds on the list.
The Furniture Dye Tubs will be limited to 20 charges.
There will be no restriction on people using the same "Ticket Barrel" at the same time.
Be warned that upon canceling a ticket transaction, if the item will not fit in your pack it may drop to the ground.


The Ticket System Dec 14 2008 7:12AM EST

* For the next two weeks, all trash barrels in Britannia will now be ticket barrels. Newly placed barrels will also be ticket barrels. To place a ticket barrel in your house, you can say the words, "I wish to place a trash barrel". We have also placed bright purple colored ticket barrels in the following locations on each shard:
o Near the Counselor Guild Halls in Britain (2), Jhelom, Magincia, Minoc, Moonglow (inside), Nujelm, Serpents Hold, Skara Brae, Trinsic (2), Vesper, and Yew.
o The East Side Park in Britain
o Center of Town in Jhelom
o The Counselor Hall in Magincia
o Center of Town in Minoc
o The grassy area near the Moonglow Bank
o Center of town in Nujelm
o Center of town in Occlo
o The Main Walkway in Serpents Hold
o Near the jail in Trinsic
o Main Street in Vesper, south of the bank
o Near the Winery in Yew
* In order to participate in the event, you must place items in a ticket barrel. The ticket system will be available for approximately two weeks after which time, the public barrels will be removed all remaining barrels will once again become normal trash barrels.
* After placing an eligible item into the ticket barrel, you will be asked if you are sure you want to place the item in the barrel. If you select "yes", you will receive a ticket credit based on the value of the item.
* The item value determination is set by the base price of the item being discarded. This will not always match the gold value offered for the same item by NPCs.
* If you have difficulty placing a polearm into a ticket barrel, place the polearm in a bag first and then place the bag in the ticket barrel.
* You can view your total tickets by double-clicking on the barrel. There is also an option to turn off the confirmation window.
* When throwing away an item, it will not remain in your backpack. Choosing to “cancel” the ticket transaction will return the item to your backpack.
* It's possible that items too heavy to fit in your backpack may fall to the ground.
* You must be able to carry the items or container being returned. If you cannot carry the additional weight, the barrel will attempt to return as many items to you as possible.
* If you choose to cancel the ticket transaction and are too encumbered to carry the returned item, a message will be displayed stating that the item cannot be returned. You may retrieve your items through the ticket barrel options menu after removing your excess weight.
* To return canceled items from a ticket barrel, double-click the barrel and select the options menu. Clicking on “Return held items to me” will allow the item(s) to be returned to your inventory.
* You can place a container (bag, chest, etc.) holding eligible items in a barrel and receive tickets for all of the items in the container.
* Some items are not eligible for the event and will not return any tickets. If these items are placed in an event ticket barrel, you will be warned that they are not eligible for the event and asked to confirm that you wish to place them in the barrel. These items include:
o Gold
o All other stackable items, such as, but not limited to: fish steaks, reagents, ingots, cloth, bandages, etc.
* Some items are not eligible for the event and will not return any tickets, nor will you be permitted to place them in ticket barrels for the duration of the event. You will be warned that the value of these items is too high and they will be returned to your backpack.
o House, ship, guild and any other deeds
o Treasure Maps
o Body parts
o Order/Chaos Shields
o Model Ships
o Keys
o Contracts of Employment
o Spellbooks
o Newbie Items
o Items stolen in the previous 2 minutes
* Don't worry about accidentally throwing away your favorite item. There will be a separate confirmation window anytime you place an ineligible item in a ticket barrel. If you do not wish to be asked to confirm, simply turn off the confirmation box.
o Double-clicking the barrel with bring up an options menu that lists the number of tickets you have and lists the prizes. It also contains following choices:
o Transfer Tickets – Allows you to transfer all of your tickets to another player. There is no confirmation after selecting another player and using this option will transfer all of your tickets.
o Turn Stackable Warning Off – If you select this, you will not get a confirmation window when placing a stackable item into a ticket barrel.
o Turn Stackable Warning On – Selecting this will enable the confirmation window for stackables.
o Turn Non-Stackable warning Off – Selecting this will turn off the window that tells you how many tickets an item is worth and asks for a confirmation. You will still receive the ticket value for items you place in the ticket barrel.
o Turn Non-Stackable Warning On – Selecting this will enable the confirmation window for eligible, non-stackable items.
o To view the prizes in detail, you can click on the "View Prizes" link in your ticket display.
* To claim your prize, click on a ticket barrel to view your tickets and select the prize from the list displayed. Your ticket total will be debited and the item will be placed in your backpack.
* You may only have up to 1 million tickets. If you have 1 million tickets, you must trade them in for items before you can accumulate more.
* At the completion of the Ticket System phase, you will be awarded one gold per ticket for any unused tickets up to a maximum of 9,999 gold.
* What are the Prizes?
o All prizes are "blessed" - they cannot be looted or stolen. It is important to note that placing "blessed" items in a container does not "bless" the container. If the container is stolen or looted, you will lose any "blessed" items within. For a translated list of prizes click here.
o Small Ticket Items
+ Hair Dyes - These hair dyes of unusual color will allow you to permanently change your hair color. One use only. (10,000 tickets)
+ Facial Hair Dyes - These hair dyes of unusual color will allow you to permanently change your facial hair color only. One use only. (10,000 tickets)
+ Hair Cut Deeds - This deed will allow you to permanently change your hair style. One use only. (30,000 tickets)
+ Facial Hair Change Cream - This deed will allow you to permanently change your facial hair style. May only be used on male characters and has one use only. (30,000 tickets)
o Medium Ticket Items
+ Singing Crystal Ball - This crystal ball plays random sounds within the game. It will only work when locked down and will play songs only to other players who are nearby. To turn on the crystal ball, it must be double-clicked and then locked down. (100,000 tickets)
+ Furniture Dye Tub- These dye tubs will allow you to partially change the color of certain furniture such as chairs and tables. You can change the hue of the tub with regular dyes. The tub has 20 uses. (100,000 tickets) << This should be unlimited.
+ Phoenix Armor - A random piece of red ring armor. As these pieces are random, it is possible to be awarded a duplicate prize. (100,000 - tickets)
+ Mini Monster Statues - One of 14 random small statues that come in a variety of shapes and colors and will emit monstrous sounds when approached. They can be placed in houses. To turn on a mini monster statue, you must double click it while it is not locked down. To then activate the statue, place it in your house and lock it down. As these are random, it is possible to be awarded a duplicate prize. The statues types are listed below: (100,000 - tickets)
# Dragon
# Skeleton
# Troll
# Orc
# Daemon
# Ettin
# Earth Elemental Gargoyle
# Gorilla
# Crocodile
# Liche
# Lizard Man
# Ogre
# Ratman
o Large Ticket Item
+ Clothing Bless Deed - This deed will allow you to "bless" one item of clothing to ensure that it can never be stolen or looted. This does not work on Armor, but will work on masks. The clothing to be blessed must be either in your backpack, or currently worn. This is a one use only item. (500,000 - tickets)

[Homie]

josh, every uo freeshard economie is supposed to fail anyhow. On NO freeshard ive been playing on the economie was somekind healthy.

Prices are climbing to the top (especially for categorie 1 rares) and the income stays the same what makes it unaffordable for players regardles how much they farm or how long they are already on the shard. At the same time the prices for player produced goods are going down.

A good example is the oversupply with potion kegs. The competition is so hard that when one player ask for kegs on the trading boards he gets instant answers from 5 guys looking to sell their stuff. to be honest producing kegs is a complete waste of time because you cant make a profit out of it compared to the time you have to invest for gathering ressources and the crafting. That issue is valid for other craftables as well.

Spending an hour to produce one or two greater explo kegs that you can sell with the profit of 1 maybe 1,5k each is the direct opposite of a good economie, not to mention the 5 k gold youve lost through your player vendor by the time the items are sold.

I also would like to add that the people arguing against another CUB are the same who are against trophies for DD and CTF.

any questions?

[JoshuaLee]

lol I don't know man, I am trying to my hardest not to be all about another CUB soon. Because I know... if there is going to be another one. It's going to be a madhouse.. It's going to explode ten times bigger than what happened last December. Especially since this new wave of people came in all they can think about is when the next CUB is going to be. I mean, who doesn't honestly want another CUB ? If it happens I doubt very many people will complain at all.

For example - Say you were offered 10 billion dollars in real life. But you had a authentic good independent life. Of course you are going to take the money but it's going to forever change you and you might lose that independent aspect of your life.

I think the same would happen on this shard, I don't want to imagine seeing people that started a month ago running around with neon hair and singing balls. All the keg making, and all those honest ways of making gold on this game, will disappear for awhile to be honest. Everyone will be to bloody rich with all the cheap rewards they can get. And because of Razor and macroing, it's not like it was like the real CUB to begin with anyways. All you had to do was set up a macro for making things and macro it dropping in the trash barrel.

People would gain tickets overnight while they slept and just let their chars macroing with endless resources. The same thing will happen but it's going to be much much more crazy and insane.

And also I don't see how it's going to "clean up brittainia" when most of the items being thrown away are just being created to begin with.

Let's not forget our roots, remember it was thinking like this that trammel was created to begin with. And think about that first before you respond, think about it hard and understand it. This shard is real, if there is another CUB then it's just going to be like turning into Diablo 2. Where rares are everywhere and easy to get.

CUB makes it so ANY person that plays uo can just run around chop some trees or mine some ore and macro some smithing/carpentry and couple hours later... oh look a neon hair dye. A couple days later.. oh look a singing ball...

Oh look a CBD deed!!

That's how it was last time. If it happens again its going to be like...

boom boom boom SINGING BALL!!!

next day..

CBD DEED

next day..

MONSTER STATUETTE

next day..

FURNITURE DYE

[JoshuaLee]

We are lucky to even have the trophy point system.. that is a BONUS. Asking for another CUB is just downright selfish and greedy.

[Hoots]

This year will mark the 10 year anniversary from the real CUB. This event should be marked with a CUB of UOSA. I see no reason, besides a weak attempt at control of the rares market, to not hold one this year.

It would probably be wise of Derrick to state, after the celebration of 10 yrs since the real CUB and Trinsic Invations, that the next one will not occur until X years later.

Are you really trying to argue that 'era accurate is only one CUB'? Are you aware that you are on a T2A shard?? The whole primise is to play UO stuck in in this era.

I see no real reason not to give me or anyone else every holiday gift they missed.

What is the difference?

Maybe it is a stupid question but as i said before UO has always been about making or missing the boat. THAT IS T2A at its root.

Everyone getting icecream (vet rewards, neons being bought from npcs, etc.) seems very trammy to me doesnt it?

Honestly Kraarug, i dont really care one way or the other. I have no market share with 2 neons and 2 hair restyles left (which i have been offered 350k+ for) but will use on my own characters instead.

It has nothing to do with the gold. It has to do with something i put the time in and earned at a moments notice being given out to everyone else who could be preparing for it for the last 12 months... That is my basic arguement. That sums up trammel to me. I see it no different as having a Holiday deed stone that everyone could come click and get the rewards they missed.

I wouldnt rage against it if it came back. I just simply disagree with having another... Thats all. You dont have to agree with me buddy!

I dont think its cool to call market share or hoarding on people when the flip side of that coin is just as selfish. Isnt it?

[BlackFoot]

Too much rhetoric and not enough debate in this thread :/

Anyone saying - 'They got theirs and want to change it so I cant get some!!'
failure of an argument
As has been repeated constantly which everyone has been chosing to ignore for over a Year now, is that, if this arguement had any basis to it the server would never make any progress. Ever. We would still be able to gm a tamer off of pretames, gm smith with 1k gps, etc etc. failblog material.

Era accuracy debate also doesnt apply as we will not be having a CUB in order to move on to the next housing phase.
We will not be moving on from t2a.

Continuing on, try not to put words into other players mouths. Just post your own thoughts, not what you assume other people are thinking.

I think having scheduled CUBs will cause the most rediculous hoarding you have ever seen in your lives. People mass producing with their crafters for months filling up houses, buying all random junk to 999 on npcs for months for the next CUB. The first CUB didnt have that warning, but if it did rest assured the hoarding would have been fantastic.

Solve the hoarding issue and the problems it would cause, then decide your timeline.

[Stranger]

lol I don't know man, I am trying to my hardest not to be all about another CUB soon. Because I know... if there is going to be another one. It's going to be a madhouse.. It's going to explode ten times bigger than what happened last December. Especially since this new wave of people came in all they can think about is when the next CUB is going to be. I mean, who doesn't honestly want another CUB ? If it happens I doubt very many people will complain at all.

For example - Say you were offered 10 billion dollars in real life. But you had a authentic good independent life. Of course you are going to take the money but it's going to forever change you and you might lose that independent aspect of your life.

I think the same would happen on this shard, I don't want to imagine seeing people that started a month ago running around with neon hair and singing balls. All the keg making, and all those honest ways of making gold on this game, will disappear for awhile to be honest. Everyone will be to bloody rich with all the cheap rewards they can get. And because of Razor and macroing, it's not like it was like the real CUB to begin with anyways. All you had to do was set up a macro for making things and macro it dropping in the trash barrel.

People would gain tickets overnight while they slept and just let their chars macroing with endless resources. The same thing will happen but it's going to be much much more crazy and insane.

And also I don't see how it's going to "clean up brittainia" when most of the items being thrown away are just being created to begin with.

Let's not forget our roots, remember it was thinking like this that trammel was created to begin with. And think about that first before you respond, think about it hard and understand it. This shard is real, if there is another CUB then it's just going to be like turning into Diablo 2. Where rares are everywhere and easy to get.

CUB makes it so ANY person that plays uo can just run around chop some trees or mine some ore and macro some smithing/carpentry and couple hours later... oh look a neon hair dye. A couple days later.. oh look a singing ball...

Oh look a CBD deed!!

That's how it was last time. If it happens again its going to be like...

boom boom boom SINGING BALL!!!

next day..

CBD DEED

next day..

MONSTER STATUETTE

next day..

FURNITURE DYE

This sort of doom and gloom scenerio never comes to fruition. Take the black dye tubs for example. Everyone was pissed that everyone had one now and they werent worth jack. I even gave all mine away . And now look, but a couple months later the dye tubs are going for insane amounts of gold. This is a uo freeshard, and as such, most people here will be long gone in a few months, and new people will roll in, those who missed the last cub. So the items will still retain their value. The first CUB was somthing that last years veterans benefitted from, why not give this years vets a chance to do the same, since we stuck around while so many others didnt? (And note I am against vet rewards, which is the somthing for nothing approach.)

[Stranger]

Too much rhetoric and not enough debate in this thread :/

Anyone saying - 'They got theirs and want to change it so I cant get some!!'
failure of an argument
As has been repeated constantly which everyone has been chosing to ignore for over a Year now, is that, if this arguement had any basis to it the server would never make any progress. Ever. We would still be able to gm a tamer off of pretames, gm smith with 1k gps, etc etc. failblog material.

Era accuracy debate also doesnt apply as we will not be having a CUB in order to move on to the next housing phase.
We will not be moving on from t2a.

Continuing on, try not to put words into other players mouths. Just post your own thoughts, not what you assume other people are thinking.

I think having scheduled CUBs will cause the most rediculous hoarding you have ever seen in your lives. People mass producing with their crafters for months filling up houses, buying all random junk to 999 on npcs for months for the next CUB. The first CUB didnt have that warning, but if it did rest assured the hoarding would have been fantastic.

Solve the hoarding issue and the problems it would cause, then decide your timeline.

Blackfoot I think you overestimate people. Most people just want to be pvping all the time, they are to lazy to even farm. I doubt CUB will hvae any affect on their gameplay until it gets right up near the event. At the very least what would it hurt to give it a try for a year? Then if all these doom and gloom scenerios come to pass, it can be canceled for reoccuring years.