INCREASE POPULATION NOW******
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wow, thats funkin bull chat! IRC is nothing but a transvestite hooker with a UTI to me anymore.
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ahh this old chestnut...why isn't the staff doing anything to provide more playmates for us to play with...
The strange dichotomy of a UO:T2A era-accurate shard with an wholly era-accurate player base too...16 years after the original occurrence...it's like the freakin' matrix!
The fundamental difference here is that OSI:UO was a FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS and as customers of that business we had a certain right to insist that the game mechanics control behavior in relation to the gaming experience for ALL players...soooo they didn't get it right. *shrugs*
As a business, their investors had a certain right to insist that a part of that business must necessarily encompass marketing & promotion in direct relation to increasing the player base...more players = more $$ and this is where the fundamental difference lies...
UOSA is NOT a for-profit business. I doubt it receives enough donations to even be considered a player-supported business...it exists at the sole discretion of it's owners.
You can cite staff quotes from many threads on these forums regarding their position on marketing & promoting the shard and specifically population control. Do some research....
They have told you where the line is many times...
They provide the shard free of charge
They maintain the T2A Ruleset with admirable integrity in the face of, at time oddly trammelesque opposition.
They have stated they are more than willing to ASSIST with in-game, player-sponsored community activities.
We provide the player base...
We maintain the player base...
seems pretty simple to me...
To expect that the staff should also be required to put forth the effort to provide more playmates for the UOSA player base to, and I use the term loosely here, play with is simply unreasonable.
I've read recent statements to the effect of "Derrick should just create another shard and set it up this way or that way"
Seriously? He should just "create another shard" for you? And market it and promote it too so there are lots of people to play with on it for you? Maybe add automated events to counteract the effects the stagnant community has on player retention too? FFS...
It seems to me far too many people's "Love" for UOSA starts and stops at the login screen...
But then that too is era accurate...
The strange dichotomy of a UO:T2A era-accurate shard with an wholly era-accurate player base too...16 years after the original occurrence...it's like the freakin' matrix!
The fundamental difference here is that OSI:UO was a FOR-PROFIT BUSINESS and as customers of that business we had a certain right to insist that the game mechanics control behavior in relation to the gaming experience for ALL players...soooo they didn't get it right. *shrugs*
As a business, their investors had a certain right to insist that a part of that business must necessarily encompass marketing & promotion in direct relation to increasing the player base...more players = more $$ and this is where the fundamental difference lies...
UOSA is NOT a for-profit business. I doubt it receives enough donations to even be considered a player-supported business...it exists at the sole discretion of it's owners.
You can cite staff quotes from many threads on these forums regarding their position on marketing & promoting the shard and specifically population control. Do some research....
They have told you where the line is many times...
They provide the shard free of charge
They maintain the T2A Ruleset with admirable integrity in the face of, at time oddly trammelesque opposition.
They have stated they are more than willing to ASSIST with in-game, player-sponsored community activities.
We provide the player base...
We maintain the player base...
seems pretty simple to me...
To expect that the staff should also be required to put forth the effort to provide more playmates for the UOSA player base to, and I use the term loosely here, play with is simply unreasonable.
I've read recent statements to the effect of "Derrick should just create another shard and set it up this way or that way"
Seriously? He should just "create another shard" for you? And market it and promote it too so there are lots of people to play with on it for you? Maybe add automated events to counteract the effects the stagnant community has on player retention too? FFS...
It seems to me far too many people's "Love" for UOSA starts and stops at the login screen...
But then that too is era accurate...
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I don't even know where to begin with these idiotic retorts.
No, the staff doesn't owe anyone anything. The fact of the matter is that if they want the shard to survive marketing is necessary because there is absolutely no reason to believe this steady decline in population will cease.
And, as I said, it should be funded by the community, so you can take your "how dare you!" ridiculous bullshit, and shove it up your ass :/ I mean, really, go be a suck-up somewhere else.
No, the staff doesn't owe anyone anything. The fact of the matter is that if they want the shard to survive marketing is necessary because there is absolutely no reason to believe this steady decline in population will cease.
And, as I said, it should be funded by the community, so you can take your "how dare you!" ridiculous bullshit, and shove it up your ass :/ I mean, really, go be a suck-up somewhere else.
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It's very generous of you to volunteer your time and financial resources, Kadull. I'm sure Derrick is very grateful that your going to market for the shard. I also think it's a wonderful idea.
Your first campaign should be you with cotton in your ears, calling everyone idiots.
Your first campaign should be you with cotton in your ears, calling everyone idiots.
Save yourself the shame and embarrassment and just assume that if you can't understand me...you're the one who's retarded.
Budner wrote:Your sig lets everyone know what an arrogant prick you are.
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<facepalm> you people are doomed.
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What are you talking about? Aren't you the messiah of market genius? I thought you were here to save us...Kadull wrote:<facepalm> you people are doomed.
I thought funding a strategic marketing campaign with donation dollars that should go to paying for fixed expenses was your plan?
Save yourself the shame and embarrassment and just assume that if you can't understand me...you're the one who's retarded.
Budner wrote:Your sig lets everyone know what an arrogant prick you are.
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right.... some really brilliant stuff.... some really sound logic.
No, I'm not going to pay for the marketing, and no i'm not going to organize it either..... So, what's your point? Do you even have one? Or are you just hell bent on spitting out snarky bullshit that makes little to no sense for the discussion?
No, I'm not going to pay for the marketing, and no i'm not going to organize it either..... So, what's your point? Do you even have one? Or are you just hell bent on spitting out snarky bullshit that makes little to no sense for the discussion?
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The defense rests.
Save yourself the shame and embarrassment and just assume that if you can't understand me...you're the one who's retarded.
Budner wrote:Your sig lets everyone know what an arrogant prick you are.
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fuck me, this guys a full blown retard....
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Kadull has been making a pretty obvious point and for some reason is getting grief for it.
If we don't, collectively, market the shard, then the shard is ultimately doomed. He's right.
Personally I haven't done squat to market the shard so I'm as useless, thus far, as many of us who haven't proactively sold the awesomeness of this shard. My circle of friends has zero interest in this game, and I don't use any social media (twitter, Facebook, etc.) I'm not sure how I can actually help, sadly.
Some of you might be in a better position to refer friends to the shard (many of you have done this, repeatedly) or more importantly, use social media to attract some flies.
Also, out of curiosity, what are people's views about going to forums for other shards and promoting UOSA? Is there sort of an understanding that this would be bad behavior, or are we missing an opportunity by not bombarding other forums' shards with advice to join UOSA?
If we don't, collectively, market the shard, then the shard is ultimately doomed. He's right.
Personally I haven't done squat to market the shard so I'm as useless, thus far, as many of us who haven't proactively sold the awesomeness of this shard. My circle of friends has zero interest in this game, and I don't use any social media (twitter, Facebook, etc.) I'm not sure how I can actually help, sadly.
Some of you might be in a better position to refer friends to the shard (many of you have done this, repeatedly) or more importantly, use social media to attract some flies.
Also, out of curiosity, what are people's views about going to forums for other shards and promoting UOSA? Is there sort of an understanding that this would be bad behavior, or are we missing an opportunity by not bombarding other forums' shards with advice to join UOSA?
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as far as spamming other shards forums, I think that would be in bad taste and somewhat unethical. Don't walk into someone else's house and spit on their floor, it just makes you look bad.
As for some player run campaign, you're greatly hindered. Staff involvement is almost necessary. Yes, players can run around and spam a few forums and what not, but ultimately you'll just end up burning those bridges, and at this point, I wouldn't recommend doing anything half assed... You want a large impact from the get go... the idea behind the month long incentives is to get your existing playerbase who has gone dormant to log in, in order to give your ad campaign some momentum, and some more heads in the field for your new players to easily find. The month of events and incentives is the means to get your existing player base logged in, that is the foundation of the entire campaign. You don't want to attract new players to the shard, have them spend 20 minutes looking for something to do or someone to play with, and then instantly log out... You want a good, solid boom of activity from the moment those advertisements start.
If necessary, hire on a new staff member specifically to organize these things. He would need to ability to design and build events, as well as use the mass email functions on the forums, and full authority to do what ever is necessary for the campaign.
As for some player run campaign, you're greatly hindered. Staff involvement is almost necessary. Yes, players can run around and spam a few forums and what not, but ultimately you'll just end up burning those bridges, and at this point, I wouldn't recommend doing anything half assed... You want a large impact from the get go... the idea behind the month long incentives is to get your existing playerbase who has gone dormant to log in, in order to give your ad campaign some momentum, and some more heads in the field for your new players to easily find. The month of events and incentives is the means to get your existing player base logged in, that is the foundation of the entire campaign. You don't want to attract new players to the shard, have them spend 20 minutes looking for something to do or someone to play with, and then instantly log out... You want a good, solid boom of activity from the moment those advertisements start.
If necessary, hire on a new staff member specifically to organize these things. He would need to ability to design and build events, as well as use the mass email functions on the forums, and full authority to do what ever is necessary for the campaign.