UO Second Age

Kraarug wrote:

Derrick wrote:It could have been reduced, however I like to find an additional source.

I'm on it!

Im pretty sure hiding was 10 secs in UOR.. there would have to be a note about changing the skill delay if it was 7 before.

OSI seemed to be pretty good about documentation after mid 99 or so.

Good luck. I came up empty in this exact search about a month ago.

Yeah you can hide with your horse, but cannot stealth while on it that's why you have to dismount in order to stealth again with it. Another thing is if you dismount a horse after hiding with it you can stealth away from it and it will still be hidden if you tell it to stay before hand. This is a good diversion tatic on the stealthers part.

archaicsubrosa77 wrote:Yeah you can hide with your horse, but cannot stealth while on it that's why you have to dismount in order to stealth again with it. Another thing is if you dismount a horse after hiding with it you can stealth away from it and it will still be hidden if you tell it to stay before hand. This is a good diversion tatic on the stealthers part.

But is that era accurate? If a patch says you cannot engage stealth while on a mount, I'd assume, well, you cannot stealth while on a mount.

Thats why you dismount... hello?

archaicsubrosa77 wrote:Thats why you dismount... hello?

Exactly.

You're missing the point; you shouldn't be able to engage stealth while hidden on a mount, dismount and just stealth away, leaving your mount invisible to those around you.

By patch definition, you should have to engage hiding, then dismount, engage stealth, and then stealth away, leaving your mount visible to those around you.

Edited for hiding misplacement.

hiicha wrote:You're missing the point; you shouldn't be able to engage stealth while hidden on a mount, dismount and just stealth away, leaving your mount invisible to those around you.

By patch definition, you should have to dismount, then engage hiding, engage stealth, and then stealth away, leaving your mount visible to those around you.

Point granted.

Here is the other thing, as long as you hide on top of your horse it will be hidden until it moves. Walking it slowly in stealth mode keeps the horse right on top of you. If you move too fast it will gallup and break out of stealth mode, You can enter stealth mode even if you are off your hidden horse and it will still stealth with you.


You don't have to be mounted on it, but it must be hidden when you engage stealth mode.

While riding a horse it moves too quick and is too heavy to stealth.

The patch says literally you cannot stealth "while mounted". Thats it. You just dismount.

Those are my points.

Just because people in era couldn't figure things out doesn't mean things couldn't be done.

Now share some of your tricks...

Kraarug wrote:

hiicha wrote:You're missing the point; you shouldn't be able to engage stealth while hidden on a mount, dismount and just stealth away, leaving your mount invisible to those around you.

By patch definition, you should have to dismount, then engage hiding, engage stealth, and then stealth away, leaving your mount visible to those around you.

Point granted.

I dont think so.

Hiding and stealthing = 2 different actions. and afaik you cant get around the 10 second delay...

What is the difference between being mounted, hide, pause 10 seconds, dismount, stealth, walk (bc this is accurate... you dont have dismount/hide/stealth)
&
being mounted, hide, pause 10 seconds, stealth, dismount, walk

i dont see a difference unless im missing something obvious.

the patch note at the top of the thread is talking about stealthing... nothing about hiding while mounted.

Hoots wrote:

Kraarug wrote:

hiicha wrote:You're missing the point; you shouldn't be able to engage stealth while hidden on a mount, dismount and just stealth away, leaving your mount invisible to those around you.

By patch definition, you should have to dismount, then engage hiding, engage stealth, and then stealth away, leaving your mount visible to those around you.

Point granted.

I dont think so.

Hiding and stealthing = 2 different actions. and afaik you cant get around the 10 second delay...

What is the difference between being mounted, hide, pause 10 seconds, dismount, stealth, walk (bc this is accurate... you dont have dismount/hide/stealth)
&
being mounted, hide, pause 10 seconds, stealth, dismount, walk

i dont see a difference unless im missing something obvious.

the patch note at the top of the thread is talking about stealthing... nothing about hiding while mounted.

Nobody is talking about hiding while mounted, the only thing I noticed was the mention of a 7 sec delay in a macro. The question is in regards to being able to engage stealth while hidden on a mount.

The difference is that if you are able to stealth while mounted, and then you dismount, your mount stays hidden when it should technically be revealed (your mount doesn't have the hiding skill, you do.) Under normal circumstances, your mount should be revealed anytime you dismount, whether you're hidden or invis'd.

And as the above mentioned, you can currently stealth around AND keep your pet following you WHILE it remains hidden as well (to those who were originally in the area.) Which is a huge advantage to thieves who can essentially stealth up to you, mount, steal and be ready to run.

Yes, but is hiding on a horse, stealthing, and dismounting while the horse stays hidden era accurate?

We go for era accuracy, strange bugs and all... Peacemaking didn't work properly in OSI T2A, therefore it doesn't work properly here.

zzyzx wrote:Yes, but is hiding on a horse, stealthing, and dismounting while the horse stays hidden era accurate?

We go for era accuracy, strange bugs and all... Peacemaking didn't work properly in OSI T2A, therefore it doesn't work properly here.

I thought for sure dismounting a horse while hidden unhid the horse.

Hiram wrote:

zzyzx wrote:Yes, but is hiding on a horse, stealthing, and dismounting while the horse stays hidden era accurate?

We go for era accuracy, strange bugs and all... Peacemaking didn't work properly in OSI T2A, therefore it doesn't work properly here.

I thought for sure dismounting a horse while hidden unhid the horse.

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Hiram... it is a hiding question not a stealth question. (which is what i was trying to say in my last post)

As zzyzx asked, the question is when you hide on a mount and dismount, should your mount become visable.



As far as a horse following you while hidden... I have no idea if it was possible or not. If your mount became visable then that obviously answers the question.

Well of course the horse isnt going to remain that "hidden" grey color when you get off of it, but it will remain invisible to those on your screen.

zzyzx wrote:Yes, but is hiding on a horse, stealthing, and dismounting while the horse stays hidden era accurate?

We go for era accuracy, strange bugs and all... Peacemaking didn't work properly in OSI T2A, therefore it doesn't work properly here.

Not true I have read posts made during that era where bards would use peacemaking to unprovoke mobs when people tried to snatch their loot and take their kills.