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Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:35 pm
by malice-tg
everyone needs to blow this guy up if you do not like it. I plan to anytime I see him.

vigilante justice.

we don't need the gms stop everything we don't like :)

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:44 pm
by Lady Ivy
malice-tg wrote:everyone needs to blow this guy up if you do not like it. I plan to anytime I see him.

vigilante justice.

we don't need the gms stop everything we don't like :)
thats what im talkin about

now if we could only do that irl...

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:17 pm
by Lucy the Lich
Lady Ivy wrote:
malice-tg wrote:everyone needs to blow this guy up if you do not like it. I plan to anytime I see him.

vigilante justice.

we don't need the gms stop everything we don't like :)
thats what im talkin about

now if we could only do that irl...
I have watched 3 groups try it so far & all have failed. Its 100% safe.

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:45 pm
by Light Shade
jimhunter2011 wrote:I have watched 3 groups try it so far & all have failed. Its 100% safe.
Unless you manage to explode pot him to death in the exact instant that he buys the reagents before he banks them...slim to none chances there...he'll lose nothing.

It is essentially zero-risk for them to AFK the reagents.

Good Luck, though.

-L/S

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:38 pm
by Casey
I understand the thought that you are losing gold in order to gain regs, but, only until you drop them on a vendor or sell them in bulk. The point is that these people are becoming rich while they are afk. Someone was selling 300k regs in irc chat the other day, and there is no way they did that while at the computer.
So they make 150-300k profit for doing next to nothing. Could I make that kind of money fishing mibs? No way. Not in the same time frame, and certainly not afk. And somehow fishing is a bannable offense, but hoarding regs isn't?

-wind

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:10 am
by Jayrich
i think what people are saying is true though and this guy is exploiting a loop hole in my opinion as he is able to auto buy and use restock from bank to pull the gold without moving. i think you could make this a much higher risk just by moving these mage npcs to the next hut over. then the afkresource gatherer would have to probably recall restock using the bank command and pull the gold then recall back to his mage spot and buy the resources.

in this it would not be risk free as you could block either of his recall spots and then jack him for gold as the macro loops and pulls more and more gold.

i would bet this is ivy as i know ivy got pwnt in vesper i believe by a crack team of CA investigators and they blocked ivys recall locations and took a ton of gold off the macro character


derrick why not simply move the mage npcs a few tiles and make this whole process have some risk. if your going to afk anything let there be risk. allow the resource gatherer to do it afk but dont make it so they can restock invisibly without having to say bank each time. the gatherer when they start this macro says bank 1 time and then is able to use restock to pull gold needed to buy and buy the regents and bank them in all of what 3 seconds.

move the npcs and then there is risk the person afking this has to both restock their gold ... and then move back to saftery of the bank to put their regents back in. 2 opportunities for a smart person to get them in their afk gathering.

now the only option is to get lucky and pray that when u throw ur purple pots the guy has either gold or regents on him. i would think this in itself would discourage the macroer.

if you dont want him to macro there purple pot him every time u see him make a noob buy 100 bottles and put a purple keg in the noobs bank it will only take 3 potions probably to town kill the guy u can throw all 3 before you take wack. guy might not lose alot of regs or money but he loses time as he is afk. then anyone can buy regs there.

just my .02$

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:16 am
by Lucy the Lich
Jayrich wrote:i think what people are saying is true though and this guy is exploiting a loop hole in my opinion as he is able to auto buy and use restock from bank to pull the gold without moving. i think you could make this a much higher risk just by moving these mage npcs to the next hut over. then the afkresource gatherer would have to probably recall restock using the bank command and pull the gold then recall back to his mage spot and buy the resources.

in this it would not be risk free as you could block either of his recall spots and then jack him for gold as the macro loops and pulls more and more gold.

i would bet this is ivy as i know ivy got pwnt in vesper i believe by a crack team of CA investigators and they blocked ivys recall locations and took a ton of gold off the macro character


derrick why not simply move the mage npcs a few tiles and make this whole process have some risk. if your going to afk anything let there be risk. allow the resource gatherer to do it afk but dont make it so they can restock invisibly without having to say bank each time. the gatherer when they start this macro says bank 1 time and then is able to use restock to pull gold needed to buy and buy the regents and bank them in all of what 3 seconds.

move the npcs and then there is risk the person afking this has to both restock their gold ... and then move back to saftery of the bank to put their regents back in. 2 opportunities for a smart person to get them in their afk gathering.

now the only option is to get lucky and pray that when u throw ur purple pots the guy has either gold or regents on him. i would think this in itself would discourage the macroer.

if you dont want him to macro there purple pot him every time u see him make a noob buy 100 bottles and put a purple keg in the noobs bank it will only take 3 potions probably to town kill the guy u can throw all 3 before you take wack. guy might not lose alot of regs or money but he loses time as he is afk. then anyone can buy regs there.

just my .02$
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Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:38 pm
by Tiwstacain
then go buy arrows for 3gp each from provisioners and then sell them for 5gp each just like most people do for vendor




TC



p.s. its super ez to pk afk ppl, gate, pot go though gate till it says guards can no longer be called i believe, and u are safe to go shank away

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:55 pm
by Robbbb
Tiwstacain wrote:then go buy arrows for 3gp each from provisioners and then sell them for 5gp each just like most people do for vendor




TC



p.s. its super ez to pk afk ppl, gate, pot go though gate till it says guards can no longer be called i believe, and u are safe to go shank away

He has a healing macro that unless you have enough people and throw enough potions to kill him all in one shot you cant kill him.

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:23 pm
by Rammar
Robbbb wrote: He has a healing macro that unless you have enough people and throw enough potions to kill him all in one shot you cant kill him.
Why bother killing him? Kill the npcs every hour or two. Make his time spent buying them up to 999 largely a waste.

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:26 pm
by Robbbb
Rammar wrote:
Robbbb wrote: He has a healing macro that unless you have enough people and throw enough potions to kill him all in one shot you cant kill him.
Why bother killing him? Kill the npcs every hour or two. Make his time spent buying them up to 999 largely a waste.

Well if he truly is AFK, then killing him makes it impossible for him to get anything...

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:48 pm
by Light Shade
Your best tactic is as Rammar said. Kill the NPC Vendors. This resets the amounts. This makes his time completely wasted. Do it every hour or so and you have completely shut him down making this all a moot point.

-L/S

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:39 pm
by Lucien
And then he gets tired and leaves, and then you get tired and leave, and then he comes back.

I don't think any of this will work. You are also losing your time trying to make him lose his time.

I really don't see this as the correct way of doing things. Is he really making profit selling those regs? I don't understand why would players buy at his vendor when they could buy cheaper from the NPC.

Sorry if I didn't get the point, I'm pretty new around :D

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:54 pm
by Vhyx
Players buy marked up rip off reagents from player vendors because they're lazy. Some don't want to take the time to recall around looking for NPC's that have stock.

Giving this an edit after the fact..

I agree that this should be in the same book of "offenses" as AFK mining/fishing. I don't know if the "gold sink" explanation holds a lot of water, considering the profits that can be made via markup/resale via player vendors.

Re: Why is AFK Reagent Buying NOT Illegal?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:10 pm
by Lucy the Lich
Please no trolling, stay on topic