Furniture and black dye tubs.

[venox]

i oppose this, whats the big deal.
this does not affect t2a game mechanics, its just pretty pictures.
personally i am starting to see way to many players with black cloth and hyper-coloured hair.
and yes change things because player base is too small.
its an called economy of scale. something that will always be a bit hit and miss, you cant get around it.

[draggle]

So certain things can be accurate about this shard, but others are specifically made inaccurate? ... no offense, but make up your mind on what you would like this shard to show. There is nothing overpowered in the Clean of Britannia rewards list, so why put restrictions? ... amount of players on a growing shard shouldn't affect that decision if you plan on the shard to grow.

If the shard doubles or triples in a year and you release black tubs and furniture dye tubs with out charge limits, it wouldn't be fair to the long time players that have been here since the beginning or in its early days. If you want accuracy and its the moto of the shard in a way, make accuracy, not accuracy for most things, but not all.

wow man stfu they put a small charge limit on some trammel tubs, stop bitching.

SIGNED!!! everyone just STFU. Staff works their asses off and player bases bitch about things that don't matter at all. You want to wear black... who gives a shit. wear your dark blue newbie clothes instead. The player base is simply too ( some of you people don't know English language mechanics) small. If every player could get limitless black dye tubs and furniture dye tubs right now it would lose its appeal. Maybe when the shard becomes two years old they will add permanent black dye tubs like osi. Until the staff decides, stop complaining!

[Divvet]

So certain things can be accurate about this shard, but others are specifically made inaccurate? ... no offense, but make up your mind on what you would like this shard to show. There is nothing overpowered in the Clean of Britannia rewards list, so why put restrictions? ... amount of players on a growing shard shouldn't affect that decision if you plan on the shard to grow.

If the shard doubles or triples in a year and you release black tubs and furniture dye tubs with out charge limits, it wouldn't be fair to the long time players that have been here since the beginning or in its early days. If you want accuracy and its the moto of the shard in a way, make accuracy, not accuracy for most things, but not all.

wow man stfu they put a small charge limit on some trammel tubs, stop bitching.

SIGNED!!! everyone just STFU. Staff works their asses off and player bases bitch about things that don't matter at all. You want to wear black... who gives a shit. wear your dark blue newbie clothes instead. The player base is simply too ( some of you people don't know English language mechanics) small. If every player could get limitless black dye tubs and furniture dye tubs right now it would lose its appeal. Maybe when the shard becomes two years old they will add permanent black dye tubs like osi. Until the staff decides, stop complaining!

lol

[Faust]

Do you want macroing to be illegal like it was on OSI too? If you want to go back a little further we can also ban you for wearing the black clothing too? How about getting a little more nostalgic and banning for calling someone a porch monkey or gay? There are just some things that exist on here that doesn't go to the extreme side that OSI went into. In all honesty I have mixed feelings about this issue. I can understand both sides, and wouldn't really care if it was unlimited due to my hardcore accuracy stand point. However, it was already set on a charge to charge basis before I got here. That was chosen for legitiment reasons and I respect them. It may or may not become unlimited in the future. It doesn't mean it isn't a possibility that it won't happen. We'll just have to see if it happens later down the road. In a way the charge by charge basis helps create a more accurate shard, because not everyone had these items back then. Black tubs only existed from a bug at first, and the clean up Brit system only lasted for two weeks before people understood how important these items were after not bothering to farm the system. It creates a more accurate feeling towards the rarity of these items. The complete opposite would exist if there were no charges. You'd just be trading one accurate experience for the other.

[Mirage]

Do you want macroing to be illegal like it was on OSI too? If you want to go back a little further we can also ban you for wearing the black clothing too? How about getting a little more nostalgic and banning for calling someone a porch monkey or gay? There are just some things that exist on here that doesn't go to the extreme side that OSI went into. In all honesty I have mixed feelings about this issue. I can understand both sides, and wouldn't really care if it was unlimited due to my hardcore accuracy stand point. However, it was already set on a charge to charge basis before I got here. That was chosen for legitiment reasons and I respect them. It may or may not become unlimited in the future. It doesn't mean it isn't a possibility that it won't happen. We'll just have to see if it happens later down the road. In a way the charge by charge basis helps create a more accurate shard, because not everyone had these items back then. Black tubs only existed from a bug at first, and the clean up Brit system only lasted for two weeks before people understood how important these items were after not bothering to farm the system. It creates a more accurate feeling towards the rarity of these items. The complete opposite would exist if there were no charges. You'd just be trading one accurate experience for the other.

Honestly I'd rather you come in here and TAKE a standpoint rather than just point out things that I could care a less if they were changed or not. I can come in here and point out a bunch of things that aren't accurate also, what are you saying here? You're a UOSA historian that's hardcore about accuracy but yet saying "this is true, this isn't accurate", you point out a whole bunch of things that are also inaccurate that could be changed thinking I'm going to give a fuck.

What I want,since you must ask, is an accurate shard. If it means no macroing, then so be it, if it means not calling someone gay(which I remember doing countless times on OSI anyway) or a porch monkey, then so be it.

i oppose this, whats the big deal.
this does not affect t2a game mechanics, its just pretty pictures.
personally i am starting to see way to many players with black cloth and hyper-coloured hair.
and yes change things because player base is too small.
its an called economy of scale. something that will always be a bit hit and miss, you cant get around it.

Unfortunately pretty pictures is what a LOT of people are worried about on this shard, looking cute. According to alatar the ticket system (which is mostly being abused for neon hair dye, beard, dye etc) is ruining the economy already. If you want to change things because the player base is too small then we're merely being selective and not accurate.

They're not going to change it. Give up.

You're obviously not paying attention to what's going on and realize how close they were to actually making both black dye tubs, and furniture dye tubs that had unlimited charges. I was told to put a thread in the suggestion forum, you've made your standpoint...shooo.

It doesn't mean it isn't a possibility that it won't happen. We'll just have to see if it happens later down the road.

[Derrick]

I honestly don't feel that there is a Lot of picking and choosing. I'm happy to listen to players thoughts on this, but please just keep it a little more civil. Accuracy would also apply to item bless deeds, as we've currently changed to system from the accurate one to give clothing bless deeds instead. I don't think that in the name of accuracy we should allow item bless deeds, and thereby allow blessed runebooks, as they did not exist for 90% of the T2A era.

The part of the era that we we are targeting is pre-2000, furniture dye tubs did not exist at all in that timeframe, with or without charges, but we wanted to do the ticket system. And there was quite a bit of agreement from players that we should in other threads.

It's completely valid to discuss whether or not these tubs should have charges, but we will Not be introducing Item Bless Deeds to the shard, so the 100% accuracy argument is pretty moot on this issue.

[Faust]

Honestly I'd rather you come in here and TAKE a standpoint rather than just point out things that I could care a less if they were changed or not. I can come in here and point out a bunch of things that aren't accurate also, what are you saying here? You're a UOSA historian that's hardcore about accuracy but yet saying "this is true, this isn't accurate", you point out a whole bunch of things that are also inaccurate that could be changed thinking I'm going to give a fuck.

I've already stated my opinion on the issue. Please don't get smart with me. I said that I would prefer the tubs to be unlimited for era accuracy, but I'm not going to fuss about it because with or without you're getting an accurate shard. One when there was hardly any black or furniture dye tubs or two if it's changed to unlimited you get that version. You may in your own words "not give a fuck", but I guarentee you a lot of other people would and you'd have an empty shard if macroing wasn't allowed. Do you honestly think someone is going to play a "free" shard that allows no macroing?

[BlackFoot]

i dont think unlimited charges matters because you can dye stacks of cloth, i dont think at this point any person who traded for a black tub has come close to running out of cloth.

i say leave black tubs to one charge, one public black tub could service the entire population and every single person on the server has en entire black wardrobe

furny tubs you cant dye stackd stuff so you get a few charges, i dont htink anyone likes seeing peoples houses looking like they were designed by some artist on acid, glowing green crates and pink book shelves. limiting these charges makes people think about what they want to do a little more and put the charges to good use. most people will prolly colour their potion kegs or somthing, not their entire house.

[Mirage]

I've already stated my opinion on the issue. Please don't get smart with me. I said that I would prefer the tubs to be unlimited for era accuracy, but I'm not going to fuss about it because with or without you're getting an accurate shard. One when there was hardly any black or furniture dye tubs or two if it's changed to unlimited you get that version. You may in your own words "not give a fuck", but I guarentee you a lot of other people would and you'd have an empty shard if macroing wasn't allowed. Do you honestly think someone is going to play a "free" shard that allows no macroing?

This is not the issue at hand. I've stated that personally I "don't give a fuck", everyone else may feel different. There are indifferences on many issues at hand. A lot of people claim they're going to quit over many issues (alatar espically) but they continue to play here regardless. I played on UO without unattended macroing, because this shard is free that means that I wouldn't play here without unattended macroing? You're completely off topic faust, stay on track and stop arguing for the sake of arguing....I see now what everyone is talking about when it comes to you.

[Faust]

I'm not arguing with you mirage. The only reason I even added the comment involving unattending macroing in the first place was to show you that there are MANY things such as that which are not accurate that many people would not play if it existed. I'm not saying the same applies to this issue either. I'm just trying to make a point that the team here changes things such as macroing, banning rules, and so forth to attempt a better shard.

The same sort of choice was made before I got here involving these tubs. They wanted to make it more accurate in terms of not having a TON of black clothing and neon colors everywhere, which would happen if it was unlimited for obvious reasons. All I said was that I understand both points. However, I still would prefer it to be unlimited for era accurate reasons, and it would not bother me one bit. The same goes for the other accurate feature, either of the two would not bother me. Please discuss this topic and it may be reconsidered. I really have no idea for certain though. That is the point of the discussion here. I have had no problems with you at all in the past Mirage, and I still won't in the future.

[Red]

This thread is exactly like some douche suing McDonalds cause their coffee burnt them, and a different douche complaining that the coffee is cold.

What, people are too lazy to go farm cloth so they can make an assload of black cloth to turn a profit?

Furniture dye tubs are dumb anyhow, IMO should have just offered a set of colored kegs as a reward. You think people dyed their furniture bright yellow back in the Renaissance Age?

[Jaster]

Point blank ... whats real is real. If something is going to be implemented into the game, it should be accurate to how it was implemented by OSI. If something is not implemented for certain reasoning, so be it.

Example: If the Furniture Dye tub is allowed on UOSA, it should be the way it was, not different.

I would like to see Accuracy on items and systems that are put into the game. If it is decided to leave a system or item out of the game, that is fine as long as what we have to play with is accurate.

[Faust]

In a logical stand point leaving out furniture dye tubs wouldn't have been a very viable position to take either in my opinion. For example, everything that existed after that would be required to be removed if you theoretically wanted an accurate shard. Some examples of this would be potion kegs, runebooks, the removal of weight for banks, GM carpenter items such as quarter staves, and so forth. This is of course if you base your mechanics off of logic involving a specific time frame.

[Jaster]

So you agree to an extent with making furniture and black tubs unlimited charges Faust?

TBH thats what OSI did - make them unlimited. Items shouldn't be created based upon the servers population. Its accurate or its not ... no in between. If you say, "down the road we may make them unlimited" ... well if you plan on maybe doing it then, might as well just make it accurate, do it now, and get it over with. Population will get larger the more accurate the server is.

Worried about not having a ton all over the place? ... Don't offer them as trophy system rewards [a non-existent system anytime in UO]

[Faust]

Well just because I say they may be made unlimited down the road doesn't mean it's going to happen. I'm simply saying there is always the possibility. I honestly don't know one way or the other. Almost anything is possible down the road. This choice isn't up to me regardless of the matter. If a lot of people wants it to be accurate than who knows Derrick may consider it since it is accurate after all.